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Releasing kids who have shown the wherewithal to find their ways to guns does seem like the strangest thing in the world. It says to me they have no place to hold them and obviously no one wants to foster them (nor would that be safer). We do need to start building juvenile facilities with proper wrap around services and accountability again.

Or charge them as adults and send them to prison.
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Or, we create juvenile detention facilities that are seriously committed to repatterning behavior---not just holding pens where the kids can while away their days playing Grand Theft Auto and learning further criminal behavior from other miscreants.  Serious repatterning involves seriously relentless structure plus nurture.  Tiered systems of privileges tied to achieving educational and behavioral milestones.  Therapy and therapeutic interventions to try to deal with kids who have prenatal exposure brain damage and/or trauma that impairs their ability to regulate emotions and appreciate cause and effect consequences.  Educational milestones that can lead to skilled trade work and the ability to earn an immediate living wage.  And for all of them---appropriate societal reparative work in the form of community service---cleaning graffiti, picking up trash.  But in no event should violent teens just be part of a Catch & Release that sends them back to the homes and environments that produced the behavior.  And for those teens who won't avail themselves of the structure/nurture options offered in juvenile detention, then adult prison may be the end result.[/quote]

I've maintained this for years. Repatterning behavior is a great way to put it! I've thought that incarcerated youth should have to reach certain wickets provided in the youth facility, ie GED, counseling. job training, community service, and an exit plan--further schooling, type of employment etc. They would need to demonstrate some maturity, attainment and good behavior for release. Otherwise, their release could continue to be reevaluated by a board, like a parole board, until say 26. This is for non adult crimes. For adult crimes, same thing but held longer.[/quote]

Rehabilitation doesn't work well. 80% of people arrested for violent crime will be arrested for another crime within 9 years. The reality is that there are some people that are just bad apples and they cannot be helped. Until we have a better way to determine who is likely to be reformed and who cannot be helped, we should just lock all of them up and throw away the key. What is an acceptable level or risk for the general public that a released violent offender commits another violent crime in their lifetime 1%, 10%, 50%? The lifetime recidivism rate for violent criminals is very high. We need to prioritize protecting the rights and safety of the general public over violent criminals. [/quote]

It's because wraparound services are inadequate. I have a nonprofit that desperately needs government funding to fix this problem. Please send money.[/quote]

Ok assuming that "wrap around service funding is inadequate" what is an acceptable risk level of recidivism to the general public? What is the evidence that these policies will be effective at reducing crime and how much will this cost? [/quote]

How much is a human life worth to you?[/quote]

Well, why are you valuing the life of the offender/criminal over their victims? Because it’s not a matter of how much is a human life worth to you, but rather how much do you value the life of the criminal and are you willing to invest in their redemption to no limit, regardless of the human and financial cost of pursuing that redemption?[/quote]

Children who never had a chance don't deserve to be punished just because they were mistreated for so long that they became adults.

Build support for children first, then lock up criminals. [/quote]

Sometimes it is best to just throw away the whole apple barrel and start anew.  Tweens and teens that have already committed armed robbery/carjacking are in that barrel.

Lock them away, make sure they don't reproduce and focus on the next batch of kids.  [/quote]

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