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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]First comes grades and then holistic admissions [/quote]

Read a newspaper or look through the internet. Race is increasingly all that matters. [/quote]

And yet, according to the Jeffrey Selingo book "Black Students, for example, account for about 6 percent of freshmen at elite schools, a proportion that has been virtually unchanged since 1980." Selingo, [i]Who Gets In and Why[/i], p11.

The citation lists the data from this article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

But don't let facts risk melting a delicate snowflake.

Read a book and look at data. Maybe stay off those websites that feed your confirmation bias.[/quote]

Yes and probably a lower proportion of those students are descended from enslaved people in the US than in the 80s--so many black students now are the kids of Nigerian, Ghanaian, and Caribbean doctors and engineers. [/quote]

Let's notice a difference between this post and the one it is responding to:

The first one lists two sources, one with deep data.

The second one lists no sources and no data, and is clearly a claim pulled right from near a back pocket.

Which one would you trust?[/quote]

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