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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If your kid is 13 or 14, I would think they'd be above Bronze 1 at NCAP burke?  with AA and AAA times?  I would look into that more before moving heaven and earth to go there.

Also, NCAP is fast, but they require 5 or 6 days at an early age.  Is your kid on board with that?  Mako, FAA, and others can give them opportunity with 4/5 days in middle school.

Take it from an older swim parent who is currently watching many of  the high schoolers who have been doing this forever get burned out.  Injuries happen too.    [/quote]

Exactly what I am thinking.  A middle schooler with those times would not be in Bronze 1.  My 9 yr moved out of Bronze with A times.  A swimmer in MS with AAA/AAAA times would be in Gold.  No way it would be Bronze. [/quote]
Different sites of NCAP use different ages for the programs. At our site you can’t move out of Bronze until age 13 and you can’t get into Gold until HS. Silver is a select group, you have to have certain times, attendance etc. and those are the kids tracking to Gold 1 or 2, the more low key HS group is Gold 3 and you go there directly from Bronze 1 if you aren’t going to Silver.[/quote]

We are at NCAP-Burke. Most of the swimmers in Bronze I have AA times. A few have AAA times. Most are age 11-12, but several elite 10 year olds are in it. They practice 5 mornings or 5 nights per week for 1.25 or 1.5 hours (NCAP-Burke swimmers under age 12 practice far far less than Machine and RMSC due to coaches’ philosophy that kids should have many activities. 12U NCAP-Burke swimmers are usually multi-sport athletes/dancers/competitive cheer/gymnasts). A few NCAP-Burke swimmers go to Silver I at age 12, but it is only the elite swimmers (similar to the very few 10 year olds that move into Bronze I). At NCAP-Burke, Bronze I is a smaller, coach-selected group, ie, swimmers from Bronze II may never go to Bronze I, and Bronze I is the group that moves into Silver I and Gold I. My daughter is a young nine with BB times and close to one A time, and she will not move into Bronze I until, minimally, age (almost) 11.[/quote]

Unfortunately your baseless claims trying to criticize other teams is completely wrong for Machine just as it apparently was for RMSC.

We are at Machine Audrey Moore and in the 4:40 AM High Performance group (mostly 7th and 8th graders from my understanding with the occasional old 6th or young 9th grader) and not a single 12 year old in the group will go more than 4 times a week and they have had multiple finalists at 14&Under champs in the 11-12 the past 3 years.[/quote]

PP - Oh my, I’m sorry you read that as a criticism. Re-reading my post, I don’t see a judgment or slant contained therein. I actually meant to compare the programs. I adore the Machine coaches and admire their program (aside from the early start times). My daughter was accepted to the Audrey Moore and Oak Marr HP Orange teams, but we live too far away. (Coach Dan and Coach Jason did tell us she would need to swim 4 mornings per week and practices are 1.5 hours per day, which is 3 hours more per week than NCAP-Burke). I only meant to show that NCAP-Burke Bronze 2 do not have the option to swim any more than 3 hours/week, even if swimmers want more. Readers can make up their minds if that is appropriate and desirable or if that is too little for a talented swimmer. Certainly even parents on NCAP-Burke differ in their conclusions, but it’s all that is available until one moves to Bronze I or Silver groups.[/quote]

Touchy much? You read far too much into that post and have misplaced your defensive retort. It’s helpful to readers to know how many hours per week swimmers have the opportunity to practice at different sites and different levels, and you only served to underscore EXACTLY what the PP wrote: the kids at Machine who are at the same level as NCAP-Burke Bronze II have the chance to practice between 1.5 and 3 hours more per week. Full stop. Moreover, a simple review of the practice times at Machine gives the same info, so remove that chip off your shoulder. PP was far too nice to you with his reply.

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