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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All this talk about weak engineering programs is mostly preposterous. According to the geniuses here, UVA is weak and University of Illinois is not. Imagine meeting with some electrical engineering seniors from each school and quiz this group of students. Do you honestly think you could discern a difference between the UVA students and Illinois students? I don’t.

You can get a very good to great engineering education at any R1 land grant university. You can get a very good to great engineering education at any state flagship offering engineering (even if that flagship is not land grant).

But that’s not the end of the story because there are so many other great options. To take an unusual example, Elizabethtown is a small private college in PA that offers engineering (self contained program … not 3 + 2). It has an engineering program and then options for concentrating in electrical, mechanical, civil, industrial, environmental, biomedical, etc.). It’s very small and only offers B.S. degrees. Here are some of the universities where the engineering faculty completed their PhD’s: Berkeley, Stanford, Michigan, Notre Dame (2), Johns Hopkins, and Penn State. It’s as impressive a faculty in this regard as I have seen. I’m sure one could get a pretty darn good education there also.

I don’t think most people here grok the concept of ordinal numbers, of subjectivity, of made up tiers, and of the predictive value of innate intelligence when looking at outcomes. [/quote]

I don't quite know what you are asking...but I bet the UIUC kids came in with a level of knowledge of CS, electronics, etc. that was likely higher than the UVA kid.  So, perhaps if you are literally just giving them an electrical engineering test, they may score the same...but if you then put a twist on it and asked them to attack some "outside-the-box" problems that maybe require an understanding of different disciplines...I bet you may see differences.

This is not to malign UVA's engineering, but the kid going to MIT for engineering is a very different kid from the start than a kid that attends Elizabethtown (as an example).[/quote]

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