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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one in the right mind outside Ohio will choose Denison over Oberlin. Denison might be known in Ohio. That's about it. Oberlin is studies in the US history classes. A bright senior anywhere in the US knows about Oberlin. [/quote]

Students don't apply to both.

Oberlin has taken a couple tough hits to its reputation in the last 20 years. I used to think well of it, always a liberal school. But it's now gone so far in that direction that it's no longer liberal, and the handling of the bakery case was disastrous and has strong implications for how affairs are generally handled at the college.

Denison and even Kenyon both are much more balanced atmospheres than Oberlin. [/quote]

“The bakery case” was from almost 8 years ago, and is over. There has been a complete turnover of the administration and the students have turned very twice.  If you want to look at how current leadership behaves in a crisis, look at how the new admin handled COVID.  They had the school open for in person instruction— including the Conservatory— in August 2020. With virtually no campus spread. And they some creative things like all single rooms and adding a third semester, May to August for sophomores and juniors, to de-density and keep classes small enough to hold in person. You would be hard pressed to find a school in the country that handled COVID better. Carmen Ambar is a rock star, and Oberlin is lucky to have her.

If you want another example of current leadership, look at the One Oberlin plan.  Not everyone likes very part (like contracting out food services and taking seats from the Con and moving them to A&S. But it’s a solid way to deal with the demographic cliff and shows a lot of foresight.  [/quote]

Oberlin forced the Gibson family to litigate "the bakery case" to the Ohio Supreme Court (during which time at least two of the family members died) and finally paid the judgment 18 months ago. They're still suing their insurers, because Oberlin's behavior was so bad that the insurers are refusing to cover their losses. Oberlin has yet to admit any wrongdoing in the case. Had they been willing to do so, the case would have been over 8 years ago. The handling of the case showed incredibly bad judgment, not only in defending the shoplifting students, allowing administrators to support the protests at the bakery, and punishing the bakery by revoking school contracts, but for not knowing how to cut their losses.

https://www2.oberlin.edu/appeal/

https://www2.oberlin.edu/appeal/[/quote]

This! It’s disingenuous for PP to say this case was “eight years ago”. It is a catastrophic ultra liberal action on the  part of the school (and very cruel to the Gibson family) that is not going away for a long time, especially considering that the insurers are refusing to pay and attorneys fees are piling up through all of the appeals. You’ve got some 5,000 colleges to pick from in the US plus many more in Canada, the UK, Germany, etc. why would you pick Oberlin? Yes, I would judge you if you were a colleague or associate. This is not a smart way to invest your hard-earned money[/quote]

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