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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pre-covid, 25% of Michgan's class had below a 1340 on the SAT.   That is not a bad score, but to put it in perspective

NEU's 1430-1540
Vandy 1470-1570
WashU 1480-1560
Emory 1400-1510

Highly selective privates don't have to admit students based on equity.  Michigan has never cared that much about SAT's, certainly as much as privates.  That isn't going to change.  Michigan's mission is just different.

Of course, since SAT is correlated with how a student does in college (Harvard, Yale, the UC senate report, NY Times articles, etc.) [b]you will see a shift of some top students away from Michigan as it pursues a more equitably driven focus.[/b][/quote]

Where are these top students going to go that's not pursuing "a more equitably-driven focus"?  NEU, Vandy, Wash U, Emory?
https://diversity.northeastern.edu/
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/diversity/
https://equity.wustl.edu/
https://www.emory.edu/home/explore/life/diversity-inclusion.html

How do we know that parents and children don't want/expect U of M to have that focus?  We are talking about a school JFK chose to announce the creation of the Peace Corps!

Anyway, the other thing that's obvious is that Michigan has been heavy on high-scoring OOS rich kids for years...I don't see anything about the current crazy admissions conditions that's going to reverse that trend.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/public-university-wealthy-admissions/675009/
"The richest and poorest students from Michigan get into Michigan at similar rates, controlling for test scores. For out-of-state students, however, there’s a marked lean toward the rich. Again, this works differently than it does at elite private universities. In the Ivy Plus schools, the pro-wealth bias is accomplished with a witches’ brew of legacy preferences, admissions bumps for patrician sports such as squash and sailing, and outright pay-to-play arrangements for mega-donors. At public universities, it’s a more straightforward downstream effect of pricing. Most out-of-state students get little or no financial aid, so only the rich can afford to enroll."

My personal feeling is that the added AP score information is just not all that relevant, and encouraging the collection of it creates extra expense for applicants, creates more data clutter, and promotes "arms race" behavior like self-studying of AP course material just to take tests just to get scores for applications.  If you look at what Michigan will give you credit for, and read some threads about enrolled people who went back and had AP credits taken off their transcripts for logical reasons, you'll see that it's not worth much time or money to bring a huge AP background to Michigan.  They want to educate you on-site.  Because that's their mission.  If that interrupts someone's "my kid graduated in 3 years thanks to his 13 APs" arms race, oh well.[/quote]

Whether Michigan considers AP scores for admission has nothing to do with whether AP credit helps you once you get there.  It actually does and could allow you to graduate early if that’s what you want.  Michigan accepts a lot of AP credit, unlike some private schools that accept none or a limited amount.

The reason that a UM student might decline AP credit is because UM increases tuition for upperclassmen.  So, if you’re planning on staying for 4 years, you don’t want to hit the credit threshold for higher tuition earlier than junior year because of AP credits and therefore decline some.  You can decline your sophomore year, you don’t have to do it straight off.[/quote]

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