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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda 
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John 
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover 
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda 
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John 
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland  CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

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The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost  who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.[/quote]

I heard the TPMS team this year was mostly inboundary kids.
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Yes, half the team were inboundary and would attend TPMS regardless.[/quote]

Would be there regardless, [i]but not in the magnet program[/i].  Those 25 in-bounds-only magnet seats, when considered proportionately to the population there versus the 100 for those not in-bounds, provide TPMS-zoned families something like a 200% greater likelihood of being chosen in the lottery.

TPMS isn't particularly overbooked, either, with its recent expamsion.  If available seats between the in-boundary and out-of-boundary were balanced vs. the relative overall student populations (say, something like 115 out and 10 in), the extra 15 kids ending up at TPMS from outside the boundary wouldn't create a problem...

...except for those counting on special in-bounds treatment.[/quote]

Your math needs a little work!

Also the in boundary kids are IN ADDITION  to the magnet, not a carve out from it. They can be added because they are already slotted to attend and resources are already allotted. It costs oob kids nothing and saves them the competition.  And, yes, there is a lot of competition for the TP seats -- I know plenty of brilliant kids who did nor get in. If you want to get rid of the TP seats, be prepared to lose some of your 100 seats to TP students. [/quote]

Um, maybe show us [i]your[/i] math?  The math that would give a student from Kensington the same chance of getting a math magnet seat as a kid from TP?

Shouting "in addition!" is a total red herring.  The [i]program[/i] has a capacity of 125, right?  The [i]program[/i] is the scarce and desired commodity.  The [i]program[/i] is an [i]MCPS[/i] program.  They don't sequester the 25 from inbounds from the rest for instruction during the three years they are there.

They do sequester the inbounds [i]lottery pool[/i] from the rest, though, reserving those 25 seats for them.  Which might be fine to ensure representation in the program from within the community...[i]if[/i] there were about a quarter the number of inbounds students as there were eligible for the out of bounds pool from which they lottery the other 100.

But that isn't the case.  There are far fewer students inbounds to TPMS than a quarter of the out of bounds population in the southern magnet catchment.  If hoping to get in, it's better to have 25 spots for a population of something like 500 than 100 spots for a population of something like 7500.

And yeah, if they did away with the 25-seat inbounds reserve, they wouldn't be reducing the program by 25.  It would still be 125 -- the class sizes/schedules & teacher allocations work that way.  It would just be 125 drawing from an identified population within the 8000 total.  Again, a set-aside to ensure some come from the home catchment should be fine, [i]as long as the number of seats reserved don't confer a significantly increased likelihood of getting a seat vs. the rest of the catchments served by the program[/i].

This is the same problem as MCPS creates with local CES programs like Stonegate.  MCPS is supposed to be serving Montgomery County students.  All of them.  Reasonably equally.  Not especially Potomac students.  Not especially Olney students.  Not especially Clarksburg students.

And not especially Takoma Park students.[/quote]

I’m not the person you are replying to and admittedly I did skim some of your reply as it’s so long, but it seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding. If the 25 kid set aside for the magnet for local kids no longer existed the program would be 100 kids and those 25 would be at Takoma Park middle but not in the magnet. The 100 places are determined by the capacity to as additional out of boundary kids. There is room for 100 out of boundary kids and no more. Removing the 25 local kids will not open up any more places for Jimmy from Gaithersburg or Larla from Rockville. [/quote]

I disagree.  The seat limit and set aside was set long before the expansion project at TPMS, which increased its capacity, and magnets are not all set at 100 out-of-bounds seats in the first place.  With the program working well (within itself/related to classroom & teacher logistics, not in terms of being able to serve all who might benefit) at 125, there's no reason to drop seats if fewer are assigned in-bounds.

And even if that were the case, why shouldn't the magnet education opportunity for those in the TPMS inbounds set-aside be the same in relation to the feeder population as it is for those out of bounds?  Why 25 instead of, say, a more properly proportional 10 or 8?[/quote]

Look you can argue as much as you want about what you would like the case to be. The fact is that out of bounds places are capped at 100. The school is already enormous. You are not going to get much support to increase the size.[/quote]

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