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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PhD chemist turned patent lawyer here. Orgo is a beast, until you get to Quantum Mechanics….ooof!

I think a lot of it has to do with the type of thinking and visualization that is needed to do well in orgo and thinking it’s memorization instead of problem solving.  I’m horrible at memorizing things, so it was awful for me.

I think I’d do much better at orgo (let’s not discuss quantum mechanics) now, knowing that.

When I was in grad school, things started clicking a lot more - and my ability to mentally visualize structures in 3-D really improved when I had to do it in group theory and crystallography.

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Ha, I find this funny.  I'm also a patent attorney, but was formerly an organic chemist.  My absolute favorite courses in undergrad were advanced orgo and a graduate-level stereochemistry class.  My third favorite class was physical chemistry, which I liked so much I added a minor in physics just so I could get into a graduate-level quantum mechanics course.  Those classes were all so fun.[/quote]

When I was young there was a saying that the law schools were full of wannabe doctors who dropped out of organic chem. There was certainly something to that. Of course, there are obviously lawyers who could pass it.[/quote]

First PP here - I realize you meant to throw shade my and the second PP’s way, but keep in mind that chemistry patent attorneys usually earn a Master’s or (more likely) a PhD in chemistry and then go on to law school.

Pre-med students, at least at my undergrad, rarely majored in chemistry because their GPA wouldn’t be high enough to be competitive for med school.  Because it got worse after orgo.

Also, I can’t think of a single person I know who went to grad school in chemistry or biology who wanted to go to medical school, but couldn’t get in.

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