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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This just in, No Labels hoping to act as the spoilers for the benefit of the GOP; willing and able on multiple levels.[/quote]

You are clueless if you think people like Joe Lieberman and Ben Chavis would support an effort to help Trump get re-elected in 2024. They could very well save us from a Trump second term. [/quote]
This is how serious No Labels is about minimizing how bad Trump is, from a No Labels leader and former Democratic governor of Missouri. Beyond parody.
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https://www.notus.org/2024-election/no-labels-wants-to-save-america-from-biden-and-trump[/quote]
Yep. “No Labels” is there to get the GOP into power, nothing more.

All those of you who “both sides” incessantly should take a look at yourselves. You’re as bad as these guys.[/quote]

God forbid there be a 3rd party challenge to our two major political parties that are giving us the Trump vs Biden rematch that the majority of Americans do not want. I have a suggestion for the GOP and Dem leaders and campaign organizers- if you don't want a political movement that involves a 3rd political party challenge to your longstanding stranglehold on American politics, you simply need to do more listening to the American people and less listening to your network of rich and powerful donors. [/quote]
If you think D & R are the same and want an alternative, start with local government. Or State government, or Congress etc.

You can’t just have a 3rd party for President. [/quote]
When you think like a child/a Republican who wants their way you run a spoiler candidate for the top of the ticket and do not further work.

It’s binary. Remember: Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. For crying out loud here’s No Labels explaining how they plan on interfering with democracy! They’re nothing but spoilers. “People deserve another ChOiCe!” That’s not how this works. You talk like that and you’re trying to get a Republican in office. Ask yourself why you’re working on behalf of fascism.[/quote]

You and I may hate the prospects of a 3rd party candidate playing the role of spoiler in a manner that gets Trump elected but much of the rest of the country and especially in swing states, they don't see this the same way. Biden is a very weak candidate per the perception of a majority of Americans relative to the historically norm for an incumbent and that, along with Trump's obvious weakness, opens the door for a spoiler or an actual contending 3rd party candidate to be a major factor. You can convince the most reliable Dem voters to vote for Biden no matter but the folks in the swing states that will decide the election aren't listening. Nader and Stein were the spoiler type candidate you are concerned about just as RFK Jr is. If a No labels candidate enters the race, it won't be a spoiler nobody candidate, it will be a well known, well qualified candidate with adequate funding and they'll draw support from a large portion of those voters that decided the 2016 and 2020 races. Whine and point fingers all you want. It won't change the dynamics of the 2024 presidential race.[/quote]

I don't know who are are talking about. I speak with reliable Dems in swing states every week (pretty heavy volunteer). The ONLY reliable Dems I've heard not voting for Biden are a handful in the New Hamshire primary who are pissed they lost 1st in the Nation primary. But they are quick to tell me they will definately be voting for Biden in the general.

Tell me, who are you TALKING to? Not reading on social media, but making calls to real people about how they feel about Joe Biden. If you are only going off social media or polls, I suggest you volunteer with the campaign to make calls and you will realize what you are spewing is hogwash.[/quote]

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