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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have recently noticed that some schools, while remaining test optional, have a sentence on their websites stating that students should take the tests and submit the results "if they are able."  Thoughts on what this means? It's concerning because with the test optional policies only kids with the highest scores are submitting.  Is it crazy to apply without taking the test?[/quote]

Which schools say this? Because some are definitely still saying “when we say test optional, we really mean it — we will consider them if you send them but we have lots of other factors to consider about you if you don’t send them.”[/quote]

[b]Many ex AO's say the same thing: test optional is not really test optional if you are not in the disadvantaged group[/b]. If you have highly qualified parents, good HS and an expensive location, not sending test scores is a dead giveaway. They have to assume consciously or subconsciously that scores are poor or bad and wonder why that is so. Current AO's have to say "we really mean it" because they want to seem to be not putting pressure on kids. In a broad sense it is also kind of, sort of, truish. Because they look at applications holistically. If you are a fields medal winner, sure they really would ignore scores. See? they really mean it. So they go with that line.[/quote]

you are 100% wrong - find me one who has gone on record saying this - it’s misinformation like this that’s stated as “fact” that steers so many wrong on this site..[/quote]

You are awfully smug for someone who does not even know this point.

Former Associate Dean of Admissions at U Penn, Sara Harberson for one makes this clear. Her book explains this in vivid detail if you are interested. She goes on to explain why.[/quote]

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