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[quote=Anonymous]Above poster here.  I went to Michigan.  More selective admission means richer and arguably smarter classmates BUT it does not mean the education is necessarily better.  We should all realize that the data we see on high SATs, APs, etc. are extremely linked to high socioeconomic status neighborhoods. If you're not really clued into the rules of the game, it's hard to play to win.  And school districts do control a lot of a student's destiny.   The creation and crafting of hooks, extracurricular profiles, and compelling essays is basically an upper middle class status competition.  Isn't that why we're all here, lol?  To make sure we're doing okay? I just found out a good friend's son applied to 15 schools while mine has "only" applied to 4 with 1 more reach school to go.  I admit I felt a little bad for a minute.

There are great profs and poor profs at all major schools.  Most PhDs teaching at the big research universities have good credentials capable of inspiring learning and the TA populations are similar everywhere (especially in STEM).  Some of what has been discussed above is campus culture.  Enjoyment of campus culture is subjective.  It's impossible to conclude whether Ohio State or Michigan students enjoy their school days more.

Also, at the beginning of this thread, there were some slams made about J.D. Vance.  Although I'm not a fan of his latest MAGA politician personality, I found Hillbilly Elegy to be a book worth reading and I think he did work hard and learn a lot from Ohio State.  Which then helped him get to him to a more selective law school. So the way I look at it, his Ohio State undergrad worked just fine to educate him to max out his career potential.

I do believe that students can get a great education at any of these big state schools.  But the culture must be a fit.  And they might need to show more go-getter behavior to fully leverage all the resources instead of going along with the crowd.
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