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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nobody's going to talk about this?

There was an attack by Hamas gunmen at a West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem. It was supposed to turn into a massacre on a big scale. Soldiers thwarted that and one soldier died in the process (five other soldiers injured).

It's starting to look like, "If you don't accept our terrorist attacks, we'll do MORE."[/quote]

Well that’s one less IDF soldier to terrorize/kill Palestinians. He should have chosen an occupation that doesn’t involve apartheid.  [/quote]

I am pro ceasefire. However, this sort of callous disregard for life will not get us to a peaceful solution, we need to work together to reach that position. We all need to start dousing this fire of hatred instead of adding more logs to it.[/quote]

The pro ceasefire side is made up of people who are either 1) pro Hamas, 2) anti Israel 3) anti semitic 4) perhaps well enough intentioned but biased people who are naive enough to think there can be (another) ceasefire in which Hamas doesn’t surrender. Most of the latter group are probably new to giving any sense of crap about the Arab Israeli conflict, get their news from sites ridden with misinformation like Twitter and Instagram, or heavily biased sources like the BBC or the NYT, and have no historical knowledge about the plethora of ceasefires Israel has made with Hamas and Hamas has broken, or of the multiple offers for a two state solution that Palestinians have rejected, time and again, because many extremists within their movement won’t accept the existence of Israel in any form, and because they start intifadas to stop the process each time.

After 10/7, hamas cannot be allowed to exist. It is (another) war crime that hamas have designed their infrastructure so that they cannot be reached without going through their civilian population to reach them.

I do believe, PP, that you are well intentioned and thank you for having humanity for life on both sides of the conflict. I just think your POV on a ceasefire is naive. [/quote]

And also to mention- there can be NO ceasefire without releasing every single hostage that Hamas took who hasn’t already been executed. [/quote]

Of course there can. If it were my relative being held captive, I would rather have a partial release of hostages in exchange for a temporary ceasefire, during which they can keep negotiating for more releases, than to have them all held indefinitely in the faint hope that the IDF will find and rescue them before they're killed, either by Hamas or accidentally by Israel.

Hamas's military capacity has been seriously degraded already. Israeli leaders should remember that there is almost no higher mitzvah than to redeem captives, and make a deal that frees some people immediately, which would have the other immediate benefit of saving the lives of Palestinian civilians.[/quote]

That's one of the thorniest parts of the ceasefire proposition - both sides would be expected to comply with the cease fire. But due to the lack of centralization on the Hamas side, it's likely that one or more agitators would pop up at that time to provoke an Israeli response. Separately, the idea that Hamas leadership and their supposed war chest of misappropriated funds continue to live it up outside the immediate region is really reaching starting to boil over for even the most outspoken critics of the State of Israel's actions. Can we act on this apparent knowledge of their whereabouts and handle that business at some point? I think everyone should be OK with extrajudicial outcomes on that front.[/quote]

Has Israel tried to negotiate with Qatar for the Hamas leaders?  If war is  justified, why don’t they go to war with Qatar to “eliminate Hamas”[/quote]

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