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There are plenty of seats available for "qualified students"---just look outside the T20 schools.  The differences between a T20 and a T60 school are minimal.  Plenty of really really really smart kids at schools ranked 30-60.  Once you realize that, not much needs to change.  Just you broadening your definition of acceptable schools. 
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I strongly believe that market reform will happen when people who CAN affort 85K+ per year decide that that price tag is not actually worth it. Boston University vs University of Maryland - one might argue that it isn't worth 200K more to go to BU. As upper middle class truly start to embrace research that getting a degree from good public is just as predictive of good outcomes, the market will boost up the publics and cause a strain on the privates. [/quote]

One of the ways good publics finance themselves is out of state students that they charge comparable tuition rates to top privates.

In California, many students with very strong GPAs/ test scores/ ECs cannot get into the UCs. I think they capped OOS students but it is still highly competitive to gain admission Even here in Maryland, I have heard many UM alumni say their own children did not get in. [/quote]

It is really competitive to get in a UC school AND many of the CSU schools, which used to be easy to get into. A lot of kids go to CC and transfer in, in both systems.

My husband works for a CSU. They are planning for a drop in enrollment in the coming years and may be consolidating admin jobs, etc. I think the competition level will stay the same. During the 2008 recession era, they admitted more out of state and international students due to budget cuts.[/quote]

The quality emerging from the UC and CSU systems has never been lower, though. I see UC and CSU grads from the 1990s and the 2010s all the time, and despite the fact that NONE of the 1990s group would be admitted to their respective schools today, they ALL run rings around the 2010 group, accounting for experience and post-grad educational endeavors.

These systems are just focused on the wrong applicant measurables right now, and churning out mediocre graduates as a direct consequence.[/quote]

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