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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, check out fenzi dog sports academy. I suspect you would like their philosophy (100% positive reinforcement only). I like that methodology too.

Ideally these people would have adopted or purchased a dog that fit their physical and mental capabilities. But since they didn’t, it would probably be a good idea if they sent their dog to a board and train situation so the dog came back knowing how to walk appropriately.

Teaching a dog to walk properly without using aversives is a long journey. If the dog is reactive, it’s a lifetime of work, every time you go out the door. Sounds like if they aren’t willing to hire out training, the options are prong collar or no walks. Neither is ideal, but a prong is probably the less bad option. A gentle leader, haltie, or east walk harness (front clip) might be a solution if it’s just pulling and not lunging, but a 60 lb dog will drag down most people if lunging toward another person/dog.

Not sure your relationship or if you have the skill set to train leash skills, but could you volunteer to walk it for a few weeks to give it a foundation and see how bad it is?[/quote]

Op The problem is the dog came out of the dog needing a home immediately and they fell in love. The dog was smaller but, they overfed it so now it is about 70 pounds.  One person CAN walk the dog without the prong but, the other who also wants to walk gets pulled down.  I suggested that they get a dog walker for one the walker isn't available.  But they don't want my solutions[/quote]

So what is the purpose of this thread? To anonymously shame them? If they don’t want solutions, what are you asking for? Validation?[/quote]

It's seriously obnoxious, misguided, and should be deleted. [/quote]

Op here: I did not identify my friends and this is a very common problem. I started this to share the article and discuss how the dog training is changing but, many people who think they are good owners are basing their information on past guidance which is woefully outdated.  If this is not of interest to you, fine.  But, just because you don't like it that doesn't give you the right to try to shut it down.

To clarify:  We talked about training and they wanted my input.  But, when I figured out they weren't going to change I told them to stop telling me.  Hope that clears up any miscommunication.[/quote]

OP, I responded in this thread as a proponent of balanced training, which you are correctly noting is old-fashioned and considered outdated and abusive.  Never mind the risk of injury to people from positive only training, which you described in your post (getting dragged around which is dangerous and can cause direct or indirect injury) as well as to the potential for harm to the dog, other people and other dogs.

On the parenting forum, the post about the 6 year old brother who misbehaves at bedtime seems parallel - the suggestions are sticker chart or better planning by mom.  Positive only training in action.  Telling him No! is old-fashioned and outdated and abusive.[/quote]

Op I never said I was "positive only"  Only that I do not use pain to teach my dog.  If you understood your dog than you wouldn't either.  Let me give you an example.  My dog wants to jump and say hi.  We turn away and don't pet him until all four paws are on the ground.  He learns that to get pets he has to be calm and have his feet on the ground.  I don't have to knee him or yell NO!  Also, the difference between humans ( even kids) is that they speak your language so you can explain the sticker chart and your rules.  Dogs don't and they communicate an entirely different way!  Guess what they are different!

[b]https://pethelpful.com/dogs/The-Four-Quadrants-of-Dog-Training[/b]

It is dangerous for my friend1  The answer is clear.  You can't do everything!  Stop walking the dog.  After all if a man tried to breastfeed because he wanted to that would be silly right?  Or if I had a small dog and wanted him to be a sled dog...ain't going to happen!

But yes, continue on with your training and meanwhile my dog and I have an amazing relationship build on love and trust! He does things for me because he wants to!
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OP, I think you should look into veganism.  I think the philosophy would appeal to you.  [/quote][/b]

Op I think you are in the wrong thread.  [/quote]

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