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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Over in the AEM discussion someone mentioned that kids wouldn’t bring devices to restrooms – they would just use the device to request a hall pass.

This seems like a colossal waste of everyone’s time.

The kid needs to pee.  Does he ask the teacher before requesting via device or is the teacher supposed to be monitoring yet another thing while simultaneously teaching?

Ignoring the idiocy of the above procedure, and acknowledging that any form of bathroom request likely interrupts something, then the kid heads to the restroom.  We all know the issues with bringing a device.  But say the AEM poster was correct and kids bring nothing, if a staff member sees them in the hall, do they check the app in real time to see if the kid actually has a pass?

I’m genuinely curious.  I can see a million issues with this and none of them solve the safety issue of a non-student being in the building or the ridiculous amount of extra work needed to teach the system that Larlo and Larla shouldn’t be granted passes at the same time because they’re dating this week and might go have sex in a stairwell.

This just seems like $50k that could have been used as paper chains to create a barrier around schools with more effectiveness.

Fans of this system, what am I missing?[/quote]

Imagine you have the same high school kid that is leaving for 10 to 15 minutes every class period.  So… potentially missing about an hour of instruction every day.

This might help everyone figure that out more quickly.  Please remember that  high school teachers often have multiple preps, and typically about 165 students apiece, if you count advisories (and you should).[/quote]

I think teachers already generally know which students are frequently absent or leave class for extended periods of time. Maybe they don't know if an individual kid is leaving every class period; but they surely know how often, and for how long, from their own class. If it's someone who regularly does this, they could simply stop approving passes for these students.[/quote]

In theory yes, but in reality, then their parents scream that they have anxiety about using the bathroom and to give them their passes back. Parents absolutely are the block to giving meaningful consequences anymore.

-hs teacher [/quote]

How do the digital passes actually get kids to return to class sooner instead of wandering around or hanging out in the bathroom for 20 minutes? What oversight is happening in the halls and restrooms? [/quote]

The passes themselves don’t. What they do is make it so that any staff who is monitoring in the hallway can say “What’s your name?” or “Show me your pass” and check their pass and see it’s been active for 15+ minutes so they can then tell the child to get back to class (or walk them there since it will say which teacher made the pass). Otherwise, a kid can wave a paper pass and look valid when in reality they have been out wandering for half an hour.

It’s also helpful for, unfortunately, the reality of dealing with kids who take substances at school and then have a medical emergency. I have called security and said “John left on a pass to the 300 hall bathroom 30 minutes ago and hasn’t returned. I’m concerned, can someone go check there.” [/quote]

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