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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Vienna has a long history of not developing players. You would expect that to change with the number of paid staff rather than the old parent coach/trainer model, but the leadership and coaches have been poor, especially for the younger girls.

They talk great a great game and make lots of promises, but there is very little actual development and once you are in they tend to treat you poorly. Communication is awful. There is a reason they have such consistently high attrition compared to other local clubs. [/quote]

None of this is even close to true. Maybe 5+ years ago, but the coaching is excellent on the uLittle girls’ side, and the teams are very competitive.  Vincent and Regi are great. [/quote]

I didn’t want to bring names into it, but you identified the problem. If they were great they wouldn’t hemorrhage players each year when players get sick of getting moved every two weeks with no explanation or realize that they aren’t progressing while kids at the surrounding clubs are learning and growing (2014s only have 2 teams now - they drove off an entire team’s worth of kids in 1 year). R seems like a nice guy. V is a heck of a talker. I wouldn’t let either of them work with my kids. [/quote]

Interesting. I think R is about as good as they get. He moved my daughter down, but did it in a kind way, and then later moved her back up.

He’s super positive, a great technical coach, nice guy, runs excellent practices, plays an up-tempo attacking style, etc. I have had a lot of soccer experience as a player and parent and can’t recommend him highly enough.

I can’t speak directly to the 2014 girls, but I have heard it was a weak birth year for VYS girls from the get-go. 2014 boys is a strong year, with 5 teams. The older girls definitely didn’t hemorrhage players at that age - the few who left were the ones who got moved down and didn’t improve.[/quote]

If that is the experience you have had that’s great, happy for you and your daughter as it sounds wonderful - but that was not the experience for the 2012 or 2014 group. 2012 had a lot of girls leave. 2014s had a whole team leave that they could not replace - let that sink in - a full team of players left after 1 year. No communication around movement, no notice or reason for up/down movement. No development discussions. Babysitting sessions. No real coaching or development. Kick it vertical and try and win it back play style. [/quote]

I think if a player is moved down the assumption should be the other player taking their spot was a better fit. Not sure how much communication is needed there especially at the youngest ages.

The u9/10’s aren’t even given specific team offers. You accept a spot for the age group with the explicit understanding that players can and will be moved around. Whether that’s your cup of tea or not, it’s what you signed on for. If at older ages, did you reach out to the coaching staff? Maybe you didn’t like their answer if you did?

It’s amazing what one or a couple of parents with an axe to grind can do. Like convincing an entire team of second team players to leave and be on a different second or third team. And then leave the new club the very next season, but this time upping the stakes and leaving in the middle of the year, to be on a different second team.

Although not a perfect club by any stretch of the imagination, not sure the problem lies with the club. [/quote]

So which is it - they are great coaches, or 10 girls left because the age group was weak and 7 girls left because parents had an axe to grind with the worlds greatest coaches?

For my kid’s offer, it was team specific. Movement was done every 2-3 weeks, up or down, with nothing but an age group wide email. Never any feedback to the player or family either way on anything. It was the same in other age groups. Not a single positive thing said to any player over the course of our time in the club.  No real helpful coaching insight or feedback. If the club was professional and was paying for their schooling and running proper sessions then fine, but we were paying 2k+ and were just expected to worship at their feet.

If the coaching was even mediocre the  attrition would not be so huge. Change is scary and inconvenient, families only leave if it’s bad, especially after just a year. But sure, blame the kids/parents/other clubs. [/quote]

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