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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Demonstrated interest is very important at Olin, Dickinson, Morehouse, Syracuse, American, and Ithaca. Demonstrated interest is important at Tulane, Bates, Kenyon, Lehigh, Elon, and High Point, among others. Demonstrated interest is considered at Duke, NYU, Dartmouth, WashU, Tufts, Notre Dame, UMich, etc. Demonstrated interest is not considered at Brown, MIT, Georgetown, CMU, JHU, UC Berkeley, Caltech, etc.[/quote] So, higher price for lower quality, schools, use DI to boost rankings and revenue. I wouldn't accept a clingy spouse like that, and I wouldn't accept a clingy college like that. [/quote] Don't think of it as a clingy spouse. I like how Denison talks about demonstrated interest: Think of this as synonymous to when your crushes passed you notes in elementary school asking you if you liked them (we know, no one passes notes anymore). College admission kind of works the same way. We provide a lot of ways for you to learn more about us and for us to learn more about you. When you engage with us, we get the hint that you might like us. And of course, we want to admit people who like us. Again, there are so many ways to engage: visiting campus, participating in one of our many virtual offerings, completing an admission interview, reading our emails, submitting an arts supplement…the list goes on. And don’t forget, the best way to tell us you like us is to APPLY! The Ivys and the other prestigious colleges are like the big man on campus (or big woman). The big men (women) on campus get plenty of girls/guys throwing themselves at them. They can easily get dates to the prom. For those of us who aren't the big men/women on campus, would you go up to some random guy/gal you never spoke wtih before/you weren't sure s/he even knew you existed and ask them to the prom? Or would you put some feelers out beforehand? That's all demonstrated interest is - putting the feelers out. Smiling at the nice boy while passing them in the hallway and seeing if he returns your smile. Making eye contact with the nice girl in class and saying hi to her in the hall. Will s/he smile back and say hi back to you? If s/he does, maybe you could ask them to the prom without fear of getting rejected. It's not like you need to go to her/his house to see them in order to see if they kinda like you back.[/quote] Wait, Denison actually wrote that?[/quote] They wrote the the paragraph after my sentence "I like how Denison talks about demonstrated interest". The other paragraphs about the Ivys being big men on campus were all from me. But it is something we can relate to and view college's demonstrated interest through that lens since we all experienced some version of it as teens.[/quote] I expect it is true, but its a horrible analogy and makes me want to avoid all US colleges for my kids and send them home to Europe where this isn't a thing.[/quote] DP: I see--because one small liberal arts college makes the analogy you overgeneralize to all US colleges. You might need to work on your critical analytic skills a bit. Demonstrated interest is not a major thing for most schools. But send them back to Europe--those colleges are fine too. Many aren't stellar, but they are cheaper--[b]especially if you have citizenship[/b].[/quote] You might need to work on your information gathering skills. Some European countries charge "international status" for citizens who have not lived in the country for the immediate 2-3 years prior to attending the university. But please, carry on, you're doing a great job. [/quote] How am I to know whether PP is planning on living in the country (or having her kids live in the countr) for the immediate years prior as part of sending their kids back home? On average, even with international status, many of the college options are still cheaper. And having citizenship does usually end up giving you more options. So I don't see any need to clarify my post--it's not like PP offered many specifics and the general thrust still holds--many European colleges aren't stellar, they are often cheaper, and citizenship often makes it cheaper. FWIW, I've taught as a visiting prof in a European university and did a post-doc in another. [/quote]
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