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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will give an F about climate change when whichever President and the likes  of John Kerry/ any State department people/ any UN people  start flying commercial, especially economy as they are using my tax dollars.

Their motto:  do as I say, not as I do.  Eliminate the Paris agreements until they all start setting examples themselves.

We are not sheep for these climate change hypocrites. [/quote]

Eh, strange to fixate on high level politicians who have legit security reasons to travel differently from the rest of us.

The real issue is that America actually does a terrific job of taking steps to protect the earth while the vast majority of the world simply does not. We aren’t the problem, so we can’t really be the solution. Even if every American stopped traveling abroad, the environment wouldn’t really feel a positive impact. Plus, like it or not, our tourist dollars matter. Bigly. Just ask people impacted by the pandemic. [/quote]

you are seriously kidding yourself if you think America is doing a "terrific job" at protecting the earth. Do you know how much recycling actually gets recycled? How much waste we produce? How much of a single-use culture we have to many others? Now, are we doing better than some, absolutely- in limited numbers of areas- namely cities such as DC, NY, LA, SF. Go to Northern Europe- they turn composting into energy, have alternative energy sources in abundance, electric or hybrid cars everywhere, recycling (that is actually recycled) for batteries, electronics, light bulbs, etc in every grocery store, recycling pick up to include compost. That's actually doing a terrific job.[/quote]

LOL.  You really believe this about Northern Europe? Despite their posturing, their alternative energy sources provide a small portion of their energy (unless you count France and nuclear power). They let war break out rather than risk their natural gas supplies from Russia, and are buying LNG from us as fast as we can produce it. High prices for natural gas (and thus, electricity) is killing their industrial base. Most recycling doesn’t get recycled, especially plastics, because it’s a nasty, inefficient business and China decided they didn’t want to be our dumping ground for pollution, anymore. [/quote]

There’s a recent survey about perception vs reality when it comes to environmental issues across Europe.

Long story short: all the countries you think are doing a better job are actually doing worse than those most believe are bad. [/quote]

Having actually lived in Northern Europe, absolutely! Is it perfect, no. But my compost was picked up on a regular basis which was turned directly into energy. None of my friends, neighbors, or colleagues ordered from Amazon or anywhere else on a daily/weekly basis. There were alternative energy sources galore and policies in place which not only promoted the installation and use of them but rewarded people for doing so- the reward part is also available in parts of the US. While large SUVs were gaining popularity, most people were more interested in energy saving cars. Really, do most people need to drive that large of a vehicle? Public transportation options were wide and varied. There were no "food deserts" meaning people didn't have to travel long distances to get necessities. Sure, smaller land masses make this easier to a degree but there's a lot of middle of nowheres even within smaller countries. There wasn't a constant need or desire to buy it all and buy cheap junk. People in general invested more in quality clothes that lasted. Generalizing again as of course there are fast fashion stores- H&M being one of the biggest culprits and being a Swedish brand. But absolutely Northern Europe as a whole is much more focused on the environment, especially compared to the US as a whole. I have actually lived it, glad you read an article which may or may not have had bias. [/quote]

https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/05/22/how-europe-s-eco-friendly-nations-are-not-always-what-they-seem

This is the link I was referring to re: perception vs reality.

There are tons of studies touting the very real positive attitudes of Northern Europeans when it comes to protecting the environment, which is obviously good. But the reality is the overall impact is far less than imagined. [/quote]

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