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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Strivers" are motivated by getting ahead of others. Anyone who thinks this way, that they actually can be "ahead" of other people, is a crap person. [/quote]

Wrong.  Strivers are looking to improve their own situation, irrespective of others.  [/quote]

How do you improve your situation "irrespective of others"? We live in a society where everything is relative -- whether we are conscious of it or not. If you are in DC and you are "striving," it's not irrespective of others. [/quote]

You obviously were born wealthy or UMC.  If  you were born poor or LMC, you want to get out of that life, period, not because you want to eclipse anyone else.  You just want to not be poor and without opportunities as an absolute.  Maybe that's not what most people have in mind when they think striver, but that's what it is.  And it is synonymous with the American dream.

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There is a lot of confusion here, because there is no clear definition of what striver is, and some have negative connotations while others neutral or even positive..  Some things are common: Strivers are ambitious, they have the urge to grow and overcome something and change their circumstances.  It's pretty clear.  escaping from less fortunate circumstances and attaining more comfortable secure life doesn't cause disdain in others.  It's anti-social behavior that does: using people and discarding them as broken merchandise, bragging about your lifestyle/luxuries in front of those who clearly aren't in the same league (putting people down), etc.  This is not definition of a striver per se.  It's just definition of a toxic person.

IMO there isn't such a thing as "striver" in its negative connotation.  It's just toxic people (strivers who are toxic or those who judge them who are toxic).  It's a two way street.  Those who have disdain for strivers just because they try too hard to fit in giving a neutral term negative connotation.  Strivers behaving in antisocial way though would be negative connotation deserved.  Because of this, I think this term definition is really in the eye of the beholder and totally subjective.   It means nothing to me. [/quote]

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