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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]Conservatives yammer non-stop about free speech and "censorship" but now we see their true feelings. Tlaib's event was to recognize a historic event that was tragic for Palestinians. Describing it as "anti-Israel" is like describing a Pearl Harbor Day event as "anti-Japanese".

If Tlaib was being shutdown by a Stanford University dean instead of the Speaker of the House, conservatives would be screeching like stuck pigs. But no free speech for those who don't adhere to the party line.

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So, it's not anti-Israel even though Nakba is translated as "Catastrophe?"
And, here she is lamenting the existence of Israel while missiles are raining down on Tel Aviv.  
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Yes, I think that when you are kicked out of your homeland it is reasonable to call it a "Catastrophe". Here you are denying the Palestinians their history while Israeli missiles rain down on Gaza. 
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I take it you're not a fan of UN resolution 181.[/quote]

I welcome the full implementation of resolution 181. Do you?[/quote]

Did the Palestinians? Azzam Pasha? The Arab states?

Had they respected the UN resolution, the history of the region would be entirely different. That's what makes Tlaib's event so revolting.

Palestinian leadership and their allies violated the UN resolution, launched a war of annihilation, and blame everyone but themselves for the consequences.

And to answer your question, I would no longer support implementation of the 181 map, but absolutely favor a 2 state solution.[/quote]

How many years later can a war justify apartheid? Did the Zulu wars justify South African actions in the 70s? [/quote]

Who's justifying apartheid?

There's a lot to criticize about Israel's conduct, but 1947? Not so much. The Palestinians and Arabs own that one.

That's what makes Tlaib's conduct re: "the Catastrophe" so disgusting.

You violate a UN resolution, launch a war of aggression with the express purpose of committing genocide, then blame your intended victims for winning?

That's reprehensible.
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And yet I'm sure you call the Ukrainian resistance on Russian-occupied land "a noble struggle". [/quote]

Ukraine launched a war of aggression to annihilate the Russian people? And denied Russia's right to exist? And repeatedly launched brutal attacks against Russian civilians?

I'm an avid consumer of news, but I somehow missed all of that. Astonishing.[/quote]

If your criteria is "we won so it's OK", then you definitely shouldn't criticize Russia.[/quote]

That's absolutely not the criteria stated above.

The point is that you don't get to launch an illegal war of aggression (actually annihilation), lose, then blame the victors for your loss.

And it's nothing short of outrageous to blame your intended victims of genocide for the conflict and its results, which is exactly what Tlaib is doing.

Totally fair game to criticize the victor's subsequent actions, and goodness knows Israel deserves plenty of criticism.

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Well it wasn't JUST loss, was it?

Did Israel HAVE to expel Palestinians?

Did Israel HAVE to confiscate their land?

[b]Are you sure it was all because of the war?[/b]  Perhaps Israel simply didn't want a demographic bomb of Palestinian presence within Israel.  Can't have a pure Jewish state with these Arabs reproducing the way they do, can you? And extra land certainly wouldn't hurt! [/quote]

Sadly, we'll never know the answer to the bolded.

And that's kind of the point. The Palestinian and Arab leadership's failed effort to annihilate Israel in '47 and '48 was the spark that lit the fire that has led to generations of Palestinian suffering.

One of the greatest misjudgments in history. [/quote]

I don't know why you think the people in the land should embrace with open arms the idea of the state in which they clearly do not belong in the concept of the state as originally defined.  But nice job making expulsion and confiscation of land look, like, INEVITABLE.  Like, look at these Arabs, what else can we do? OF COURSE we need to expel them and get their land.[/quote]

I'd not arguing that anyone should embrace anything with open arms.

I am arguing that Tlaib's narrative of the innocent Palestinians as victims of Israeli aggression in '47 and '48 is historically inaccurate.

I'd also argue that such a narrative hurts rather than helps the Palestinian people. 
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LOL I know your kind.  You only have two wishes for anyone non-Jewish in Israel and occupied territories:

1) Shut up
2) Emigrate.[/quote]

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