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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize.”

—Paine, "The Age of Reason" (1792)
https://ffrf.org/ftod-cr/item/14173-thomas-paine

also, from the same source:

"A freethinker in the 18th-century mode of deism, [b]although he never described himself as a deist,[/b] Paine wrote the classic criticism of the bible, The Age of Reason (1792), completing the second volume under arduous conditions of imprisonment in France. "I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow creatures happy. I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church."[/quote]

That’s not atheism and I find no source that states Paine ever declared he was an atheist. Like op, you are assigning long dead historical people with designations that historians, scholars, and academics don’t even agree on. You are welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

I don’t think the atheists and anti-theists posting here are scholars, academics, or historians. They are random online people without credentials, looking to “prove” something.

At least the “we all agree!” poster hasn’t reared their delusional head-yet.
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Oh my gosh. I don't have a lot of interest in this thread and haven't posted yet, just skipped to the last page here. But "we all agree religion sucks/Jesus never existed/" poster is a delusional and controlling nutcase for sure. [/quote]

No reason to take pp any more seriously than the "controlling nutcase" poster[/quote]

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