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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's only PART of the reason, OP. The other parts are:

1. Funding, management and educational direction of the school system.

2. In wealthy neighborhoods, parental pressure acting alongside teachers and staff looking to be hired in those schools, that work towards keeping the best teachers at those locations. [/quote]

There are some incredibly well-funded failing schools in this country. [/quote]

There's a point where no amount of money will make a difference. The underlying issue is families and values, which the state cannot legislate.

Nevertheless, even at some moderate to high FARMs schools, there are sufficiently large groups of high-performing students. Sure, an affluent school may have 8 sections of AP English whereas the higher FARMs school may have 3 but the same kid would do fine in either school since their success has more to do with family values and parental education.[/quote]

Values. Ha. What an obnoxious attitude.

They track performance of kids who are from economically challenged families. Their performance varies greatly based on the school. [/quote]

Name an example where a school has truly succeeded with economically challenged families. Schools in NYC and LA have tried but nobody has solved the issue.[/quote]

The OP said “why does anybody pretend school quality is about the actual school itself?” I am responding to that question. I’m sure you acknowledge that there are varying degrees of school quality. While the SES of the students does impact how successful an individual school is on measures like standardized test scores and college readiness, that is *not* the only factor. A school that has high expectations for academic performance, quality teachers, and a good handle on student behavior is also going to impact the test scores and college readiness of students. Good teachers and principals really do make a difference. [/quote]

ok, but has any district actually accomplished that? [/quote]

Accomplished what? Those three things I mentioned? Yes, there are school districts across the SES spectrum who have done that. And there are schools who have only 25% FARMS rates who haven’t and the kids suffer no matter how much their parents make. [/quote]

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