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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.

The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.

However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.

I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.

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I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc.  They are cruel and should never be used.  You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.

If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems[/quote]

Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.

The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.

[b]So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.
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Actually you are the ignorant one.  You have no idea what training I have done or what I know.  [b]This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog[/b] and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars.  Many organizations have come out against them.  Maybe you will take their opinion seriously:  Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?

[b]https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/
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Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it.  [b]https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/[/b][/quote]

NP. My highly trained dog gets SUPER SUPER excited, like steak level excited to see the e-collar come out. It means we are going on an adventure where she will be able to run long distances away from me. A quick buzz is the recall to come back; it's a way to communicate. I've put it on my own neck at the level we use and it's less uncomfortable than the TENS unit  my chiropractor uses on my back though feels very similar. It feels a little weird, it's not painful.

As to the bolded, if you get a Mal, you had better damned well train it like a police dog. They'll basically accept nothing less, which is why I think most responsible people who  own them don't think they should be pets getting time in the yard and a walk a day. They thrive on structure and working and they're incredibly tough-willed. This owner is failing. While I wouldn't look at the tool itself as the answer (e-collar, prong collar) in the hands of an unequipped owner, I also wouldn't trust a positive only trainer to work for a problematic Mal. It's the equivalent of having a kid who killed two family cats, attacks his siblings and set  the house on fire and only being open to Gentle Parenting solutions where you can't use the word "No."[/quote]

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