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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Very depressing to see the lifeblood being sucked out of reading in favor of PARCC scores and "science." The pendulum will surely tilt back in favor of whole language, but it sounds like it will too late for most of our kids. Comprehension is critical. Writing skills are critical. Developing a love of reading - critical. Learning buzzwords like "R Blends" are not. [/quote]

People like you are the cause of a lot of grief.

Of course kids should read whole books and talk about what things mean, and they need to understand enough about the history of the English language to know that we have several different spelling systems smooshed together.

But most kids also need help with learning how to sound out simple words. Whole language fanatics who ignore the need for phonics are a menace.

If you or your kids learned reading without any phonics, wonderful, but many other kids obviously need some phonics.[/quote]

News flash: children all over the world - and in this country learned how to read without phonics drilling all day -with these anachronistic thingys called books. Indeed, if you were born before the 1990s, you managed to learn how to read by decoding words, and reading/writing stories, with minimum phonics per day. Some kids do need phonic drills because of learning differences, but most kids do not. And if reading is essentially flatlined in favor of "science" and drills, kids who are capable of reading without phonics are bored and their language learning is stunted. It's not surprising that people on the right (prone to saying things like "people like you") love phonics for certain students - not their own, of course, for students they deem as less capable. [/quote]

No.  Completely wrong and ignorant.  I learned with phonics in 1983 and had a perfect English sat score.  Yhe modern form 
has been around since the seventies.  In fact it’s beyond copyright which is why the textbook companies ignore it.  You have no idea what you are talking about and are doubling down for no reason.  [/quote]

I said minimum phonics, not no phonics. "Sound it out and think of a word that makes sense" is phonics. We were all taught to do that while reading whole books. You are clearly not a lawyer (especially a copyright one). One phonics book might be in the public domain, and phonics is ONE technique of literacy -but that is a vastly different paradigm than force-feeding phonics drills starting at pre-K and delaying books, and discussion about reading until second grade to focus on the "science of reading" which is ONE theory of how people learn to read. I get that anger and name calling is your clutch - but it is pretty unnecessary - you must have other tools to sublimate your rage at your disposal? The "e" at the end of rage is silent, FYI. But you knew that, since you got a perfect score on the "English SAT." :roll: [/quote]

I'm really perplexed why you would think direct phonics instruction means never reading a whole book or discussing it. Phonics is about 30 minutes. They can read and discuss books at other times of day.[/quote]

It does though... my first grader never mentions a book he reads or has been read to in school. All i see are phonics worksheets and that he worked on a phonics skill he learned back at the beginning of kindergarten. It was great that phonics taught him to read, but he never actually reads now...[/quote]

He can read at home! That’s where reading books for pleasure takes place. Our DCPS also had plenty of reading in book groups etc. [/quote]

Of course kids can and should read at home...but that is also where kids have traditionally done most of the their reading...at school. My grandparents were immigrants who did not speak English at home, both of their children became English professors. That didn't happen because of their home life - where minority languages were thankfully preserved - that happened because of reading books at school (and in the library). If your answer is that elementary kids should do their reading of whole books at home because they are doing phonics worksheets at school - that actually is pretty sad. [/quote]

what is ACTUALLY sad is kids who don’t learn how to read. [/quote]

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