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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul. [/quote]

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for. [/quote]

Sure. Unless you are an Asian American woman. What this article fails to mention is that the whole college admissions process has been blatantly racist against Asians. Also since we are talking about women girls in general are disadvantaged under admissions to make way for more males that are less qualified. Again college admission here needs an overhaul. Many other countries rely on other meritocratic measures for competitive college admissions and I am all for that. [/quote]

LOL how is the current college environment “racist” against Asians when they are already represented 2-3x in elite colleges relative to their share of population? Your criticism makes zero sense. Asians are doing f#cking awesome under the current system. [/quote]

Man, out of all of the arguments that I see on this issue, this is the one that I can’t stand the most.

The whole point is that colleges are using targeted methods to specifically depress the number of Asian students because, based on merit (and I’m talking about extracurricular activities, too, not just robotic-like grades and test scores), they would be an even larger share of their student classes. Asians are actually *underrepresented* at elite colleges compared to their percentage of the top academic talent.

The simple way to look at it is if we “find and replace” any reference to “Asian” with “Black” in the fact pattern.

Let’s say that out of Harvard applicants, Black students had the best GPAs, top test scores, and just as good or better metrics on extracurricular activities and in-person interviews than every other race (including whites). Yet, Harvard is worried that their classes would have too many Black students compared to other racial groups (including whites). Therefore, they use the admissions office to assign a totally subjective “personality score” that just “coincidentally” gives Black students lower scores compared to every other racial group and, as a result, depresses their admissions.

Just imagine if that was the fact pattern. We wouldn’t be having a discussion if that was racist or not - it’s pretty obvious. Yet, when we “find and replace” that fact pattern with references to Asians instead, it’s somehow isn’t racist?!

It bothers me so much because I actually *do* consider myself a liberal that believes in DEI efforts and can’t stand that my fellow liberals can’t simply acknowledge on this college admissions issue that they are outright discriminating against one minority group in favor of other minority groups. Instead, it’s all hemming and hawing about the value of diversity (as long as it’s the “right mix” of diversity), somehow Asians aren’t being discriminated against (often pointing to your “overrepresentation compared to the general population” argument, and pretty much every argument other than facing the fact that the tools they’re using are lowering Asian student numbers even more than white student numbers.

If that were at least acknowledged and then argued that such discrimination is outweighed by the greater good for allowing more Black and Latino students into elite colleges, then we can at least get somewhere even if we might not all agree. However, it’s the lack of the acknowledgment or outright denial of the discriminatory impact on Asian students in the first place that’s insulting (because as I’ve shown in my “find and replace” fact pattern above, Harvard’s tactics would be unambiguously seen as racist if it were Blacks and Latinos impacted as opposed to Asians).[/quote]

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