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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]See, the thing is, YOU have no idea how TO students do compared to the ones who submitted. It’s time to stop pretending the SAT/ACT is a proxy for innate ability or talent. They aren’t. [/quote]

OP here. There are lots of reports that TO kids struggle, but then the difference suddenly disappears. Maybe the kids miraculously makeup for 12 years of shortfall in a semester or two, but it’s more likely others things are at work. For example, do these kids eventually choose easier majors and/or ones that they otherwise would not have preferred just to get through school? Do the schools follow the GPAs of such kids and proactively reach out to them with aid? Are professors aware of kids with challenges and provide more mentoring?

Look, if Harvard truly feels that a kid with a 1200 SAT can do the work as well as a kid with a 1550, why did they start the tests in the first place? My guess is, they don’t. [/quote]

Perhaps they think 1200 vs 1500 is significant but not 1400 vs 1550.[/quote]

The 1400s were getting in before test optional, the 1200s were not.  If anything, it’s the kids who are scoring in the 1400s that are hurt most as there is confusion as to whether they should be test optional or not, and test optional kids get in at a lower rate at nearly all top schools.[/quote]

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