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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares?  I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole. [/quote]

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop? [/quote]

What’s the injustice?  That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities?  I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices. [/quote]

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs. [/quote]

Why should you get to decide what qualifications matter for a private college?

And for the 1Mth time, colleges do not have racial qualifications to "right wrongs".  They do it to achieve their mission and build the class they want.  But you don't care about that, you just want to stir up trouble for your cause.  You haven't read a single book on the subject, you haven't talked to a single adcom or college administrator about it, and you don't understand what you are talking about.  If you truly cared you would do those things.

But you don't care.[/quote]
So you're fine with universities only admitting whites? That was a commonplace practice prior to desegregation, you're fine with bringing it back? If not, why should you decide what "qualifications" matter for private colleges?

Also, race by definition is not a qualification. [/quote]

Who said that?  Don't put words in my mouth, you dishonest interlocutor.  That's 100% strawman, completely irrelevant and incendiary.

You make a dumb dishonest response to my post because, as I pointed out, you are not informed about the process and why colleges do it.

And sadly, you don't WANT to be informed about it.  [/quote]

As someone inside of a university, I can safely say you are totally misrepresenting university admissions goals and processes using the same newspeak that we do - "holistic evaluation." The reality is, at the ground level and in almost every admissions meeting we have, there most certainly are racial targets for most programs, albeit somewhat flexible ones. The standards for black and hispanic applicants is officially lower. For example, in admissions to one of our programs, we cut off asian student applicants at a 95th percentile test score (I won't say what test because I don't even want to risk people knowing what area I am in), we cut off whites at 90th percentile, and we cut off black/hispanic at 80th percentile. Admitting less qualified URM applicants is literally part of the fundamental process in "holistic admissions." If you've also done admissions then I challenge you to refute what I'm saying. I am happy to go into more detail and debate the facts. But let's not resort to propaganda, which I think you and the other holistic folks do constantly (including our own admissions office - because admitting the truth would expose us to legal liability, potentially)[/quote]

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