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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting that criminology is one of the least regretted majors and sociology is one of the most regretted. Almost all of the criminology classes are sociology classes. A criminal justice degree is a waste of 150k because you don't need need the degree to get a job as a police officer. Furthermore, college doesn't give you any of the skills it takes to do the job, so big waste of time/energy/money.[/quote]

No education is a waste. The belief that college is a trade school is a relic of lower and lower middle class origins of our immigrant forebears. [/quote]

Sorry that made more sense when you didn’t graduate with 5-6 figure student debt and housing was affordable without a college degreed professional job. [/quote]

Sorry. You want trade school go to Lincoln Tech. It is possible to go to a decent college and get a real education that changes everything for you without 5-6 figure student debt. [/quote]

That depends a lot on your individual situation. Is college going to cost you 200k or 50k?  You can call it trade school if you want, but if you aren't learning any skills relevant to your job, I'm not so sure it's a good deal.[b] It's an antiquated and elitist view to think that taking a bunch of gen ed classes will make you a good citizen and a well rounded person.[/b]

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Indeed and ironically this shows a lack of the critical thinking skills that all the liberal arts worshipers claim they got with muh liberal arts degree.[/quote]

+1000

I have always found that the best critical thinkers and employees (and the hardest workers) tend to be Physics/Computer Science/Applied Math/Statistics majors. Engineering comes at a close second. Natural sciences at a third.

The vast, vast majority of the humanities majors I see have an awful work ethic and little to no ability to think critically. I am always amused when DCUMers post that their Philosophy degree taught them to "think critically in a way that you can't with STEM." [/quote]

My experience as well.[/quote]

As a CS major and person with 25 years working in software development, this is emphatically not my experience.  What I do see A LOT are entitled white guys who are sure that problems they know nothing about must be easy to solve.  Rather the opposite of critical thinking to be honest. [/quote]
DP.. I've worked with programmers for 20 years, and the issue with those guys is that they are arrogant, not that they can't think critically.   They think they are so smart that they can understand any business problem easily.  I once had to explain to very smart software programmers about the complexity of US tax laws. They just thought they could do a zip code/rate data dump and build an API in like two weeks to calculate sales tax.  I had to explain to them that it's not as easy as that, and that's why we have tax solution software out there to manage taxability. [/quote]

So they're so smart, they're actually dumb. Nice argument.[/quote]
Presumably, you are smart in your field, but not smart in every field, right?  You probably don't understand the complexities in tax laws either, and that's ok. You're not an expert in taxes, and neither are the programmers.

I'm no expert, either, but I just happen to have worked on tax software for many years.[/quote]

right - and i actually realize that I don't know anything about software. Isn't part of being smart that you know what you don't know?[/quote]
IMO, that's arrogance (which is what I stated). Those guys are smart. They work for FAANG.  But, "smart" in one field doesn't mean "smart" broadly.  That was my point.     Smart + arrogance = problem.

As to critical thinking skills, the whole point of higher ed is about teaching more advanced critical thinking skills. The vast majority of any major will teach that skill, so all these "history majors learn critical thinking skills" post is ridiculous.  BTW, I love history; I think it's fascinating, but I would never major in it unless I was going to go into policy or something like that, or get a masters.  Otherwise, IMO, it is a pointless degree.[/quote]

while you want to characterize it as arrogance, it can be equally described as a lack of critical thinking.[/quote]

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