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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My kid picked it over Tulane and BU to study environmental science and has had a great freshman year. Significant merit aid and it seems a lot of kids there truly believed in picking their school based on fit (even if the fit is access to snowboarding) so there are a lot of happy students. Spring semester should be called Winter semester though. They’re coming home right when the weather finally turns good [/quote]

ha that is true, didn't go to UVM but when to a similarly situated school and we never saw good weather during the school year. Maybe the week of finals. I visited once in the summer and hardly recognized it.

[b]UVM used to be a very well respected  state school, hard to get into even. It has fallen alot due to lack of funding from the state among other issues, but Burlington is a great college town.  Spent much time there[/b].[/quote]

You’re just making stuff up. UVM was never particularly difficult to get into. Founded as a private college in 1791, its prestige comes from the fact that it is one of only a few dozen colleges dating back to the 1700s. And to the fact that it has a private  school feel due to the fact that 3/4 of its students are from out of state. And due to the fact that it doesn’t feel like a factory processing 40-50,000 students every year like many state flagships. With only 10,000 or so students, the UVM experience feels much more personal.

UVM is not suffering from a lack of state funding. That’s not its business model. It doesn’t depend on VT’s small tax base like other flagships do pecisel because it has so many students paying out of state tuition, which is set at 250% of instate tuition by statute. It has an endowment of  $3/4 billion dollars, which is triple the endowment of similar size New England flagships like UNH and URI. Money is not one of their problems.

As for weather, cold, snowy weather is precisely what most people are looking for when they go there. Obviously not you. It’s like complaining about snow in the Swiss Alps.[/quote]

"am not making stuff up". I happen to like UVM and applied there way back in the late 1980s. I got into U Richmond but waitlisted at UVM for example. It WAS more difficult to get into then than it is now. I actually looked at it for my kids who are starting the process and was shocked at how it has fallen in status.

If you do some googling, you can see that UVM has been cutting several majors in their arts and sciences in order to meet budget.

This is from an old article dated 2002:
UVM’s academic reputation has fallen far from the glory days of the 1980s, when the school was acclaimed as a “public Ivy.” The university now attracts packs of out-of-state students who, as their SUVs attest, are able to afford the whopping tuition rates the school charges to compensate for the scant support it gets from the Legislature. Vermonters attending UVM have big bills to pay as well; tuition for in-staters is the highest of any land-grant university in the country.

Not making anything up. I had several friends who went to school there and still live in VT so i get the scoop.
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Their applications are soaring, highest in school history by far. topping 30,000 this year. Average SATs are 1347. Back in 1985, when it was selected as a public Ivy they were 1159. Acceptance rate was 59%, similar to what it was 30 years ago. Average gpa is 3.8. Admissions is calling it the most qualified class they’ve ever had, continuing a trend that they’ve seen for the past decade.

The article you’ve quoted is accurate. But that same article could have been written about many other colleges at that time. 2002 came on the heels of the smallest high school graduating classes in the 1990s that the US had seen in 50 years, going back to before the baby boom. UVM expanded in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s as it had seen demand increase after it’s public Ivy designation, but when demand fell with declining enrollment, so did their revenue stream. Many private colleges were facing the same problems.

But that article you cite is 20 years old and it doesn’t reflect the realities of today.[/quote]

Np. Don't have a real stake in this beef, and you may bring up some good points, but you can't compare current sat scores to the 80s. You'd have to first scale for rejigging tests and scoring that has resulted in much higher scores currently.  Also,  score inflation from TO. [/quote]

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