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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]The  Aurora police dept is an abomination.[/b] Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more. 
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Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.[/quote]
Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some. [/quote]

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits. [/quote]
You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.[/quote]

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…[/quote]

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad.  For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do?  Would he tell his fellow cops to stop?  Would he report them?  We all know that he would do absolutely nothing [/quote]

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few. [/quote]

Honest questions: do you think the cops that did this thought they could get away with it because they were cops? I cant imagine doing something like that- surrounded by other people and plentiful evidence- and think that I was 1) doing the right thing and 2) if I thought it was wrong, not thinking I wouldnt get caught and YET......this is where the birth and culture of policing in America is most of the problem and it has only gotten worse by the militarization of the policing in America.

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I can’t presume to know what went through their minds. I’ve already stated above that I don’t condone their actions. What I also don’t condone is the blanket “all police are bad” nonsense in which certain posters on DCUM love to engage. It’s this type of misplaced anger that puts good officers in danger. Look at local police departments. They are severely understaffed, so officers are responding to calls without sufficient backup. They are working extra shifts, so they are regularly tired. My husband had been spit on for doing nothing more than getting out of his car. He has been pulled away from helping others, including administering first aid, by “well meaning” people. He has had threats put on his car. He is not the enemy.

Your questions above insinuate that he is, that somehow merely suggesting that officers are not a monolith somehow is equal to supporting the actions of officers that day.

I don’t operate that way. I don’t make assumptions about groups of people.[/quote]

Cool story. Policing in america is dysfuctional, add in the well documented racism and there you have it . Your anecdote is garbage next to the data.[/quote]

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