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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's patent that applications without test scores signify poor test scores, whether due to lack of aptitude, lack of preparation, poor preparatory education, or something else. Consequently, [b]there's little practical difference between submitting poor scores versus no scores.[/b]

The weight given to either scenario by any given school is difficult to know, since test scores are not the only factor in admissions decisions.  [/quote]

Wrong. You can't be judged on what you don't submit. Whereas if you submit a poor score, it's part of your application.

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I was told "nobody is not submitting a 34-36 ACT or 1500+ SAT".  If you are applying to the most selective schools it is going to be assumed you did not fall in their average test score acceptance rates which will only matter if you aren't First Gen or an URM, that is who they designed test optional for.[/quote]

[b]OP here - this is my original point - if it’s only a hook for first gen or URM,
colleges should be open and upfront about it - pretty disingenuous imo  [/quote][/b]

The schools are up front about TO. DCUM doesn’t believe them. On every tour I attend they were very, very clear that they mean what they say. One (top school) went so far as to say that “no one is looking to invite a lawsuit.”

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I’m confused, does your kid have a 34-36 ACT or 1500+SAT and you are debating if you should send them to a TO school where that score is within range? [/quote]

No, I never said that. Several schools we toured stated “We are test optional. If you do not submit your score we will not hold if against you. If you did not get a score in the 50th percentile, don’t submit.”

If that’s a lie, it’s a pretty egregious lie.

And again, there are a lot of kids with scores that, pre-pandemic, would meet the 50th percentile range. TO drives up the scores and if they kids listen to the schools, they should go TO. My kid was admitted to UVA in 2019 and submitted an SAT score of 1360. We didn’t really think twice about the score based on the scores from 2018. Now my second kid, with a higher GPA, 14 APs/2 DEs, and a 1370 is weighing TO. Because that’s what TO is driving kids to do.

Grinnell stated there policy but they are only one school. Why do you think they are being honest and every other school is lying? Why are AOs, guidance counselor and college advisors all saying TO really is TO if that’s not true?

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I really doubt any colleges admissions officer explicitly told you not to submit a score if not within top 50 percentile for school.  If so, name the school.

Every information session I’ ve attended over the past year with my now senior, the admissions officers have been very fuzzy with respect to what is said about  test optional.[/quote]

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