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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hate and dangerous speech is not protected. The 1st amendment comes with both regulations and responsibilities.[/quote]

[b]Except that opposing the idea of defund the police, criticizing the utter chaos at our border, and questioning the wisdom of hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery for minors  is not "hate and dangerous speech."  [/b]That's the whole point - YOU don't get to label something "hate speech" simply because you disagree with it and want to silence it.  [/quote]

DP -  it’s not as simple as you make it sound.  In my experience the person that is opposing defund the police loudly, is saying they are justified in killing unarmed black people, will throw in crime statistics, and say it’s a tough job so they can’t be held accountable even for outrageously biased and racist behavior.  I see a lot of the “I know people will call me a racist …” followed by a lot of racist  bs.  The line between questioning and hate speech IMO isn’t that close if you are starting from actually caring about the people involved and not partnering with people that don’t believe in their right to exist and have equal power.[/quote]

I think the way you view this is scary. Just because a person does not support Defund the Police does not make them a racist who thinks others don't have a right to exist. BTW, the te are many people of color who do not support that movement.

Your rapid response to label them racists is very troubling. You wAnt to shut down opposing views. Why not have a civil discussion about it. At the end If you don't  to see the other side then fine.

Have you personally gone into communities affected by gun violence to ask them how they feel? Or do you live in a wealthy liberal bubble? Serious question. The issue is complicated.
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No, what I actually said is that it is possible to have a conversation disagreeing about approach and it not be hate speech if we are coming from a place of caring about the people involved.  I also said it can’t be a civil discussion if you are partnering with people that don’t believe in the rights for that group to exist and have equal power. I also said people that make racists statements, even when they go on the offensive with “I am sure people will say this is racist” actually are exhibiting racists behavior and when they tie it to “speaking their mind, free speech”, that doesn’t make it any less so.   I never said someone that doesn’t support the movement is racist, I never actually said my race, my  background, or my position about any of those issues.  I just defined what I though would fall under the threshold of civil discourse and said it’s really possible to disagree on solutions and not be accused of hate speech if you are really interested in not veering into hate speech.[/quote]

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