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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So, when applying to UMD a candidate can send the SAT score (if that's good enough) or not. The acceptance criteria don't take into consideration that score at all, right? If that's the case, how do they decide who's academically fit? High School grades? [/quote] Maybe middle school. They know what they need to see and have realized that kids who prep for a 4 hour test and do well are not the kids who do well over the course of 4 years. Add in a good essay and extra curriculars and suddenly the standardized tests don't mean much. Look up information about Wake Forest and why they don't use it. [/quote] Please, they have known the whole time that SAT does not measure anything except how much families can pay for prep courses and therefore tuition. You all get that college admissions are actually not a meritocracy?[/quote] There is a ton research out there showing that SAT scores predict college success; most times better than HS grades. When the UC system looked into it they found that standardized tests were the single best predictor of college performance. When you add parental education as a variable, HHI becomes significantly less predictive of standardized test scores. In other words, HHI is an inexact proxy for parental education. Free high quality prep is easily available. Asians prep the most, but both Hispanics and AA prep more than whites do, and there are many studies that show that on average prepping only raises scores 30-60 points. Bottom line, standardized tests work as intended; they act as a relatively unbiased tool to measure college readiness. They’re almost certainly the most objective measurement currently used for college admissions. Unfortunately, that does not allow colleges to balance the demographics of their classes as they wish, thus they’re being phased out.[/quote] Source? And please don't cite the college board or test prep organizations. I found these: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2020/01/29/its-gpas-not-standardized-tests-that-predict-college-success/ "Grade point averages are a much better predictor of success at college than standardized tests, according to new research." https://news.uchicago.edu/story/test-scores-dont-stack-gpas-predicting-college-success "Students’ high-school grade point averages are five times stronger than their ACT scores at predicting college graduation, according to a new study from the University of Chicago Consortium on School Research." [/quote] Useless, outdated research. "They examined 55,084 students who graduated from Chicago Public Schools of varying academic profiles [b]between 2006 and 2009,[/b] and who then immediately enrolled in a four-year college. At the time of the study, all Illinois students took the ACT in the spring of 11th grade." That they were all in one school system add uniformity to the GPA stratification. However, given that a GPA means different things in different places, and in some public districts you can't tell the difference between a kid getting 89.5 and 100, and brilliant kids at schools that grade hard are getting B averages and going on to be suma at their colleges, while their previously straight A counterparts from other high schools are barely passing, it seems that GPA cannot be predictive because it isn't a uniform measurement. I'd prefer a system that tests everyone on substance in the core areas as a universal entrance benchmark. [/quote] SAT hasn't changed much nor have students so believe this research is completely on point, but sorry if that bothers you.[/quote]
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