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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Einstein and Darwin would have belonged to the church of the flying spaghetti monster. Fact is, you can't use logic to prove or disprove God's existence. Although many have tried. The question is more a question of your faith. As a secular humanist, I have no faith in deities.[/quote]

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

- Albert Einstein
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But, have you actually read Spinoza? Spinoza, himself, is often regarded as an atheist. He's certainly no deist. We could ontologically split hairs all day .... but I have laundry to do.[/quote]

I'm not that PP - but a coworker was reading Spinoza and kept reading quotes to me. Spinoza's obvious deism would actually knock your socks off. There isn't even room for grey areas in many, many of the Spinoza quotes my coworker read to me. This surprised my coworker. I suggest you read Spinoza yourself, because I have complete confidence, based on what you wrote above, that you too will be surprised.

As for faith vs. logic - faith is the whole point. Forget logic: if logic was able to prove things 100% in either direction, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation, and the world would have all the answers it's been seeking for millenia. Instead, we're talking about faith.  Dawkins, Darwin and the rest can't say they "believe" 100% that god doesn't exist -- which makes them agnostics, not atheists. [/quote]

Not the PP but atheism is the lack of belief in gods, not the claim to know that they don't exist.

Agnosticism is a knowledge based claim (the claim not to know/that we can't know). Both theists and atheists can be agnostic. [/quote]

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