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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pay more 
Shrink class sizes
[b]Stop allowing inclusion [/quote][/b]

WUT? In violation of federal law? [/quote]

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others.  We've burdened our teachers with too much. [/quote]

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM.  That's what we've done.  Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!![/quote]

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?[/quote]

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and [i]I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher.[/i]  I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies.  Cut me a break.[/quote]

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment.  It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents. [/quote]

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers.  Not parents.  So, alleged DP, I will ask again:  how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.[/quote]

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade.  You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job?  Why wouldn't it?  [/quote]

Thanks for making crystal clear that YOU have a major problem with inclusion and that you are projecting your views on to the teacher without having actually spoken to her.  You've made my point.

Also, does that kid plan on staying in third grade with the same teacher next year?  Didn't think so.  So I somehow doubt he's the cause of her leaving the system.[/quote]

Guess I have to come with the data from my poll of disgruntled teachers leaving the profession to please some people on an anonymous forum. What a strange take. [/quote]

Strange take?  Hardly.  This whole thread is a bunch of parents talking about what teachers want and need and projecting their own wants and needs on to those teachers with barely any input from teachers themselves.  It's a bunch of condescending bs.[/quote]

I feel like we’re reading different threads. If you’re a teacher considering leaving the profession, then please offer your suggestions to make things better. If you’re not a teacher, then why do you think you know what they do/don’t want? [/quote]

I'm NOT a teacher, and that's the whole point.  Because I'm NOT a teacher, I'm not pretending to know what they want like the rest of you are.  [/quote]

You’ve argued many times that you doubt they’re leaving because of behavior problems in the classroom. How would you know that if you’re not a teacher? You have no room to promote OR doubt a suggestion if you’re not a teacher. You don’t get to play both sides. [/quote]

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