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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Of course, you can look at it another way. Most scientific papers are published at a level beyond undergraduate education. As is often said on this very site, you can go to any school (selective university, state school, LAC), do well and go on to graduate programs. So the number of scientific papers is not the result of undergraduate admissions standards and practices.

Second, you don't know if the number of scientific papers published in China would actually go UP if they adopted US admissions practices. One could argue that US practices broaden the pool of students who are exposed to science and may later decide to pursue a career in the sciences. Maybe China is unnecessarily limiting itself by not considering these applicants and inviting them to study. Just as the quantity and quality of scientific research was improved when the pool was expanded to include women.[/quote]

Nonsense. Students are already exposed to science in high school (or earlier); some can do it and some just can't. (I am talking about real science and not the "logies"). One needs very high IQ to do science and it is the universities' business to figure out who can indeed do it based on the students' performance in standardized tests etc. Unfortunately GPA does not provide reliable evidence since there is a lot of variation in the difficulty and originality needed from students to get an A across classes, teachers and schools. As a result universities in China (and many other countries) make admission decisions purely based on standardized test scores. That's how science works anyway: one needs to test competing hypotheses under the very same conditions to measure which one gives the best results. US universities make their admission decisions based on opaque/arbitrary criteria primarily to block the Asian flood. Since US universities can't produce good science students they have been importing graduate students from Asian universities, benefiting from their selective admission processes indirectly. Up until recently this system worked to a degree but it is coming to an end.[/quote]

the only thing i got out of this mess of a post is that you have a kid, probably Asian, who scored really well on the SAT/ACT but didn't get into a college that you deemed acceptable. [/quote]

And the poster apparently believes in eugenics as they seem to think Asians have a higher IQ.  [/quote]

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