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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This question gets asked every year.  You only think it’s an unusual year because your kid was part of it. [/quote]

I actually think OP is accurate. Borders were closed to international visas, so 2 years of candidates from abroad were stuck at home. Then domestically many parents pulled their kids out of college out of fear of the virus or instructed juniors/seniors to delay and take a gap year because there was societal panic.

So yeah even if that led to a 20% surge in applications - tougher all around.[/quote]

Lol, having the borders closed for a few years took out a large proportion of the top end of competition and opened up slots for US kids that in days past would be less likely to get in.

This is another reason why since the pandemic its become easier, not harder, for US kids.
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Delusional [/quote]

The US has a dubio
us distinction of having an uncompetitive high school educational system for the vast majority of students.  In our country, students rank near the bottom compared to other industrialized countries in math and reading.

What the US is very good at is promoting a woke culture:  what bathrooms should trans kids get to use, reasons why grades and standardized tests are racists, how can US people get more gibs from the government without thinking about how to actually earn it, etc.

In professions that contribute to national power?  Not so much.

Why do you think most doctors are international?  Why are many of the most advanced/valuable companies in the US populated by internationals?

These international students not only come to US colleges more prepared than US students they also come full pay without asking for handouts, whining about how expensive it is, how many snow days are gifted, no homework policies students are already too stressed out, unlimited second chances for disruptive students that conduct criminal tier behavior otherwise again its racists, etc.

Not saying that I like it, but its the hard truth and the most successful college grads from the elite colleges are often international students.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-12-03/us-students-show-no-improvement-in-math-reading-science-on-international-exam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-lag-behind-peers-in-east-asia-and-europe-in-reading-math-and-science-exams-show/2019/12/02/e9e3b37c-153d-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
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The conspiracies run strong in you.

You think any student at Yale is complaining about the level of homework?  [/quote]

Yale is 21% international + 15% asian + 27% jewish = 63% of student body

URM are 7%

So the "typical" US student is competing for the remaining 30% which are usually in the bottom half of performance at ivies
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You perhaps misread the stats. 21% is for the University as a whole eg grad students. Yale [b]College[/b] is 10% international. 
It’s roughly like that for all the elite colleges. US student admissions (let’s hope it stays that way) are not really impacted by internationals. The latter have a really high bar to enter. [/quote]

The ivies + s + mit are going to eventually be 50+ international students

Even if you take away the fact that academically these international students are light years ahead of US students, they are all full pay and often with considerable donations

Meanwhile almost all US students whine about not getting enough financial aid without realizing that the money is coming from somewhere and not some fake concept

People don't realize that if you are getting financial aid that money is coming from somewhere and its probably a combination of endowment and full pay + donation families (which also contribute to the endowment)

So if you are a world-class professor or researcher, are you comfortable reducing your compensation to subsidize poor US students that can't afford full pay or are your going to welcome with open arms international students (that are often more academically interested) that are full pay + donations

The full pay + donations is more about greed, its to fund the colleges and the only way to reduce the trend of international students at US colleges is either or both a) US students become full pay + donations and/or b) another global event causing temporary closure of borders

This is another reason why college football is such a big thing in the US, its literally a significant funding source for most colleges even if they have to tolerate sub-par academic students

There are colleges that philosophically are somewhat similar to public high schools where its effectively an entitlement, but certainly not at the elite institutions[/quote]

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