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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are you seriously asking why people on the right extending all the way to the center-left (aka almost everyone), are viscerally against giving others a list of stuff they didn't earn, even though there are good arguments against it?

Answering for myself (from the center-right), I'm in favor of most of the things you listed, but against student loan forgiveness. I get the feeling student loan forgiveness is what you're really asking about. [b]I'm against it because taking out student loans was a gamble that was taken with full information and a path to success.[/b] People bet on themselves, sometimes that doesn't go smoothly, but they should keep trying, not get bailed out.[/quote]

I am on the left, but I agree that the student loan forgiveness is totally different from everything else you listed and has broader opposition. It is the "fairness" issue. [/quote]

I don't understand this. How is student loans a gamble but having kids you can't afford not a gamble? Both decisions are taken with full information and the latter is usually made at point of time when you are at least half a decade older than the 18-year-old forced to sign on the dotted line for six-figures in debt.

I am not for one over the other - I'm for neither - but your logic is curious.[/quote]
One difference is that child credits are given to the child, who is a person. So it's a benefit given to a new person, managed by another person, the parent.

Borrowing money doesn't create a new citizen. If you incorporated that debt, then maybe it becomes a person. Check citizens united, though.[/quote]

Except the child credits are [i]not[/i] given to the child. The child does not have a bank account. A trust fund or baby bonds account is not set-up for the child's future use.

The parents were getting cash deposits, often on unearned income as there was no requirement to actually earn money, and using it for everything from car payments to food to debt reduction to clothes shopping.

At least an educational loan has a singular purpose and defined effect.[/quote]
That's a constraint in the management, but if we're giving out aid, I'd feed the babies first.

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A constraint in the management? Nice way of saying it was a complete f&ck up. And babies if they need food are eligible for WIC which is expressly designed for this and ran concurrently with the CTC program as well as SNAP. [/quote]

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