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Oh give me a break with this. The vows largely based in religious nonsense my wife and I spoke when we were 26?

And you say 'many', so not all. For sure there is still patriarchal BS in the US, but I can assure you that my wife and the other nonmonogamous women I have met are very empowered. [/quote]

I don't believe that religion is require to make a marriage vow meaningful.  I do think being able to trust your partner's word is important.  Do you really think it would be a successful nonmonogamous relationship if a partner repeatedly disregarded their own promises, such agreeing to practice safe sex, be discrete, or other rules? Perhaps, but I doubt it.  If you were, you would certainly be in the minority, even among those that endorse open or poly relationships.  After all, why even be in a relationship if their is no mutual trust?  And again, I have no objection to open relationships by consent of the parties.  My objection was in the case where the parties do not agree and amounts to little more than don't make promises that you won't keep.

I said many, because I am certainly not familiar with every world culture.  I would be interested in learning about the pre-modern civilization that reflects today's more equal relationships.  I am glad that your wife is empowered (though that seems at odds with your characterization of your marriage ceremony as religious nonsense you spoke at 26).[/quote]

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