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[quote=RantingAtheist][quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingAtheist][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views.  The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.[/quote]

And liberals act like because they are basing their opinions not from religion that it is somehow better or correct.[/quote]

Since liberals base their opinions on reason--rather than received moral instruction from a leader, or an arbitrary book--then yes, in a pluralist society founded on secular Enlightenment values the process (if not the outcome) is better, and likely to be more correct. That's not to say that conservatives, working backwards from their desired conclusion, can't induct some rational argument. And when they're successful at reverse-engineering a rational argument, that's likely to be respected, even if we don't agree.

But, no, "Pastor Bob says so" or "it's right here in this book" is no way to run a railroad.[/quote]

What do you base your morality on, CNN or MSNBC? Granted religion isn't perfect it does lay a solid moral backing to raise a family. [/quote]

I forget who it was that said (to paraphrase) there's no moral act that a religious person could perform that a non-believer could not. But there are countless numbers of morally abominable acts that a religious person happily performs that a non-religious person never would.

Volunteer at a soup kitchen? Build schools in Africa? Love thy neighbor? Have a faithful loving marriage? All things we all agree on.

Remove a young girls' clitoris? Cut off a newborn infant's foreskin sans anesthesia? Non-theist says, "WTF???"

So there's at least some evidence that religious folk are no more, nor less, moral than non-believers. They just have an added layer of dogma and customs that potentially interfere with living a moral life.[/quote]

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