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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingAtheist][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views.  The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.[/quote]

And liberals act like because they are basing their opinions not from religion that it is somehow better or correct.[/quote]

Since liberals base their opinions on reason--rather than received moral instruction from a leader, or an arbitrary book--then yes, in a pluralist society founded on secular Enlightenment values the process (if not the outcome) is better, and likely to be more correct. That's not to say that conservatives, working backwards from their desired conclusion, can't induct some rational argument. And when they're successful at reverse-engineering a rational argument, that's likely to be respected, even if we don't agree.

But, no, "Pastor Bob says so" or "it's right here in this book" is no way to run a railroad.[/quote]

What do you base your morality on, CNN or MSNBC? Granted religion isn't perfect it does lay a solid moral backing to raise a family. [/quote]

Most rational people would agree that if you wish to use religion as your solid moral backing to raise your family, you should have every right to do so. My argument would be that every family has the right to decide for itself what to use as its solid moral backing, without lectures, intimidation, marginalization, and shaming by government. We raise our kids with no religious structure, but we are moral, decent, kind, generous, compassionate people who make these the values in our home.

I don't need moral instruction from the church, or from sanctimonious asshole politicians currently seeking the Republican nomination. Republicans used to be the party of more individual liberty, not less. But now they want to legislate independent thought and action in a way that is offensive to most rational people. They have made things nasty, and hyper-personal, and anti-intellectual, and unreasonable. Your crap-ass comment about getting morality from CNN or MSNBC--you add nothing but toxicity. 
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