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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are a LOT more kids taking AMC practice classes or participating in math contests than there are kids who are earning Honor Roll.  It's not simply training.  Like everything, excellence = training + talent.  Kids who have just the training end up with pretty underwhelming results.  [/quote]

Gag me. It’s not talent. It’s a lot of hard work and usually some kind of pressure. Either internal or external— to be competitive. It’s training. These are kids under the age of 14. We aren’t able to see talent in math yet at this level when it’s all about exposure. Yes, some of them may go on to major in math.  But a 25 on the freaking amc 8 is not proof or predictive of talent or some innate giftedness in math. Look, this is a world I’m very familiar with. And even if this is only my opinion I am speaking from a lot of experience. I can’t speak with authority on much, but this I can.

And I don’t want to take anything away from these kids and what they do. I just cannot stand parents thinking that their kid is particularly talented just because they’ve been spoon fed advanced math from a very early age. [/quote]

AMC 8 might be a baby step, but doing very well is still an accomplishment. I would not consider it insignificant at all, especially as it's more difficult than the SAT which effectively puts kids who get near perfect on the exam at the level of a perfect math score on the SAT, in middle school. But more importantly, AMC 8 is a popular path (Mathcounts being the other even more popular choice) for building the basic skills needed to crack the significantly more difficult high school math competition scene. Also, I'll argue your notion that one can judge talent. Talent at a particular skill is slowly built up via a combination of training (i.e effective learning), and motivation. It's a positive reinforcement cycle; more training leads to more skill/talent, leads to more motivation to do more training, etc. All the morons on these threads that talk all day about giftedness and innate talent have no clue what it really takes to succeed in these competitions (not just in math but literally any other high ceiling skill).[/quote]

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