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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t know about this show specifically, but I’ve seen lots of storylines that remind me of afterschool specials.  [b]Whether you agree with the message or not, being hit over the head with it like a hammer gets old pretty quickly.  If you plan on watching a mystery (or other genre) and end up getting lectured, it’s pretty discouraging.[/b]  [/quote]

If you're gay or a person of color, it also gets old pretty quickly to watch shows about straight white people all the time. [b]Minorities are not existing at you.[/b] The fact that you take their presence in a show as "being lectured" speaks volumes about you. [/quote]

The fact that diverse characters ste present doesn’t make me feel lectured to.  Will and Grace may have been mostly about white people, but they definitely weren’t all straight, and it didn’t feel like a lecture.  They were characters who happened to be gay, but the show was just about them living their lives.  Sense8 was a great show that was just about a bunch of people, who happened to be very diverse (and celebrated that diversity), in a premise which may have been a nightmare for the characters, but was entertaining for the audience.

Compare a show like Girlfriends to Different Strokes.  Different Strokes is more the type to lecture about diversity (but at least it was designed with that goal in mind), while Girlfriends was an entertaining show with a diverse cast.  While I enjoyed Different Strokes and afternoon specials back in the day when I’d come home after school as a kid and watch TV, as an adult, if I’m looking for a mystery, comedy, drama, thriller, etc., I want the plot and characters to be focused on the story and not interrupting the flow to raise my awareness.  Just having a storyline promoting tolerance does not equate to good writing. I don’t care as much about their ethnicity, orientation, religion, species (vampires, aliens, etc.), I’m looking to be entertained. If I want to be educated, I’ll seek out a documentary, or maybe just revisit those afterschool specials, where the lectures were at least at intrinsic part of the story and not just a distraction tacked onto the side.

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So you want a show with black people that doesn't have any mention of racism, a show with gay people not to mention homophobia. Don't you realize that for these groups, those worlds don't exist? Their lived experience is different from straight white people, and it's one in which their identity is centered constantly. I'm sure they would love to "just live their lives", but they aren't allowed to. You want a dishonest show, because it makes you more comfortable.[/quote]

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