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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Actually, OP, here is a slightly expanded argument:

I.  Jesus claimed divinity
    A.  He meant it literally
        1.  It is true......Lord
        2.  It is false
             a.  He knew it was false......Liar
             b.  He didn't know it was false.......Lunatic
    B.  He meant it nonliterally, mystically.......Guru
II.  Jesus never claimed divinity.......Myth

There is nothing "blind" about this faith.  "Smart, analytical" people around the world have worked their way through the evidence for centuries and concluded "Jesus is Lord."[/quote]

You know, the funny thing is, I can't figure out if this is an argument against Christian theism, a parody of an argument in favor, or an argument in favor "on the square".  I think this says a lot about the impoverished nature of theocratic argument.[/quote]

It's just an outline, my friend.  Each aspect of it has a full exposition, with centuries of thought behind it.  Beyond the scope of this board, but a good summation of the OP's question.[/quote]

Ever hear of the ad authoritatum fallacy?  I'm sure there are centuries of thought behind each, just as there have been centuries of refutation.  If what you've posted is a brief synopsis, it looks profoundly unconvincing.  In any case, can it even be described as an "argument"?  It looks like a menu of possibilities some with a much higher likelihood than others.[/quote]

Perhaps you are being disingenuous, or perhaps you honestly missed my point?  I simply said that there are millions of pages written through the centuries about each aspect of the outline, on all positions and counter-positions, so it is too much to discuss here, in this limited medium.  Where is the fallacious appeal to authority?  You are free to pursue each premise and counter, and arrive at your own conclusion.  But the outline summarizes the[i] possible [/i]conclusions.

There is a similar outline for the various possibilities of the truth about the Resurrection:

I.  Jesus died
A.  Jesus rose......Christianity
B.  Jesus didn't rise
1.  The apostles were deceived......Hallucination
2.  The apostles were myth-makers.......Myth
3.  The apostles were deceivers........Conspiracy
II.  Jesus didn't die........Swoon?

From where we stand today, the divinity of Christ, the resurrection, and even God's existence are not directly observable, but from data that are directly observable, we can reasonably conclude that the Christian explanation is the most likely one.

Or not.  But the OP's question is how some people "know" Jesus is not just a crazy story.  These outlines describe how.
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