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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nobody’s talking about all schools, we’re talking about the system of oversight for charters in DC. Good ones are fine, with or without effective oversight. Bad ones are allowed to continue without consequence or accountability for years. Eventually families start fleeing and they enter the “charter death spiral” and the Board takes notice. It’s been happening for years.[/quote]

This.  Yes, the really egregiously poor performers are eventually closed.  After being awful for years and years and getting extension after extension, slowly spiraling down and down.  Closure won't bring those years back for the kids.  And it won't change the fact that taxpayers paid for low performing schools because the charter board isn't willing to actually enforce its own standards.[/quote]

If this is true, please compare to the failing DCPS neighborhood schools and how they are permitted to churn along horrible for years and years failing generations of students. [/quote]

Easy.  They have to do things charters do not, like take all IB kids year round.  Together they provide a comprehensive system that provides a seat for all children at all times.  Do some of them not function as well as they should?  Sure.  But unless charters are willing to share in that foundational responsibility, schools of right must continue to exist.  DCPS does sometimes close schools (Washington Met and Shaed are a few examples), but it must be able to continue to provide a school of right to every student who wants a seat, within a reasonable commute.  So it's not so easy to close.  Not like a charter that can pull the plug and leave people in the lurch whenever it wants.[/quote]

Friend, you are confused.  What does DCPS schools being available for every inbound student have to do with charter accountability? And before the argument was the charter board leaving schools open too long, now the complaint is they close whenever they want? Go back and check your anti-charter talking points.  Or else, narrow your complaints to the particular school you have a problem with.[/quote]

The point is that DCPS must provide a seat for every child that wants a seat, within a certain distance from home.  That means that DCPS cannot just shut down a school without a plan for where those children will go and how they will be served.  It's a totally different thing from how charter schools can shut down at any time without making a plan, knowing that DCPS must step in and serve the kids.  DCPS does intervene, replace principals, implement turnarounds and restructurings, and sometimes do closures.  But it's a different type of process with different considerations.[/quote]

NP here. Gotta agree with the person who called you out for confusing your anti-charter talking points. The original issue was failing schools not being closed. Now you are arguing that Charters get to choose who attends and don't have to take all comers (wrong, but I can't deal with all of your internal inconsistencies all at once). Failing schools usually have a higher population of at risk and special needs and below grade level learners. So you are arguing at the same time that Charters  don't carry their weight with at risk, but also that those that do try and service that population should be shut down? Pick a lane!

I'd also argue you are gaslighting by pretending that maybe a few DCPS schools fail year after year. Actually, the same schools have failed for years and years. Forget ES, have you even seen the data for at grade level for the High Schools in DC?

You make yourself look silly by vomiting all the tired anti-charter stuff in one fell swoop without thinking about what is on the page. Stop embarrassing yourself.[/quote]

What?  You are embarrassing yourself with your poor reading comprehension.  I never said charters get to close who they serve (though some have found ways).  But it is a fact that charters do not have to take new students mid-year if they do not want to, and that they do not serve students by right of address all year long. 
 Those are challenges the charter schools have opted out of.

Charters that successfully serve at-risk students, the truly needy and not a cherry-picked group of the less-needy at risk students, should be judged against other demographically similar schools.  And charters with poor results should be shut down regardless of their demographics (looking at you, SSMA).  I am no fan of DCPS either, and it does operate many failing schools.  But it is naive to say "shut it down" without a real plan for where those students will go and how their needs will be met.  That attitude is a luxury charter schools have because DCPS has to pick up the pieces when a charter shuts down.[/quote]

??? Hang on. Go back and re-read what you wrote to see how confused you are by your anti-charter emetics. You complain that charters can just heartlessly shut down leaving vulnerable families in the lurch and then, in the same paragraph, call for a charter to be shut down ASAP. In logic, you are now null and void—or something like that.[/quote]

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