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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This remind me of a photo I saw in an email from MyFitnessPal. The “after” photo here I think is…too much.

https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/how-brianna-went-from-giving-up-to-giving-it-her-all/
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My friend is like this (the after); but you’d never know in her day to day. She looks awesome in “regular” clothes and when she has on  dress she has awesome legs.

She has broad shoulders naturally and bulks up really easy. She was a cheerleader and lacrosse player in school. [/quote]

cheer/lacrosse probably means a slim and muscular- that is attractive. Weight lifters who build mass are not. Death by snu snu is something that my friends still joke about [/quote]

Most people (men and women) can do reasonable strength training 3-6 days a week and (while looking significantly better) not come anywhere close to approximating the bodybuilder look.

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Because they aren't using anabolic steroids. [/quote]

these comments always crack me up.  I've put on about 8lbs since covid (I'm a guy) but before that, people would ask me 'what are you taking' or people would say to mutual friends 'he must be on riods'

But I would always answer honestly:  creatine and protein powder.  And maybe ibuprofen if I'm stiff or sore.

Hard training 5 days a week, plus clean-eating for YEARS, and its attainable.  But people don't believe that for some reason[/quote]

if you have a ton of mass, popping veins everywhere, and little to no body fat, I tend to think that either you spend all of your time worrying about your body or that you take steroids (maybe both).  [/quote]

You're absolutely right.

But the point was that big muscles does not equal juicing.  Extreme vascularity, small forearms (in comparison to the rest of the body), out of proportion muscle groups, etc, are the indicators.

But people see big strong athletic people with low body fat and tend to assume roids.  They are wrong.

The women in that "after" picture deserves the benefit of the doubt.  No reason to think she's taking gear[/quote]

Maybe this is different for men, but people who don't lift have a tendency to overestimate the level of muscle/leanness that is naturally attainable by women. When there was a video game character based on a particular elite CrossFit competitor, there was a lot of commentary about how the character was based on a real woman's body so this was natural/obtainable/realistic, without noting that she's certainly juicing. I don't think it's as clear-cut with the above picture, but there are a number of reasons to think she's on something. Women can get strong and have visible muscle mass, but you are going to hit limits in terms of size and leanness much faster than men are, and particularly if your livelihood is based on maintaining a certain difficult-to-achieve look year-round, it is more likely that you're using than if you're just some guy (or gal) who is doing it as a hobby. At any rate, if you're a woman trying to decide whether to get more athletic, someone at the very tails of that look (whether it's through juicing or, sure, maybe she just eats a lot of chicken breasts and rice) should not impact that choice because you aren't going to accidentally wind up looking like that. [/quote]

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