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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] U of Michigan, U of Florida and U of Virginia are the All Around Best schools. These three schools are all top 30 ranked schools based on US News and World Report that have strong Division IA sports teams, reasonable tuition (especially for in-state) and students/alumni that actually love attending the school.

Relating to the "top 10" thread, those schools only admit a small number of students (and those are typically legacy, minority, or sports hooks) and cost $75,000 plus per year.   [/quote]

Among the Publics, U[b]C Berkeley, UCLA and U Mich are in a category of their own.[/b]  All around great schools, many top programs - STEM and non-STEM.  I'd add UVA to this category if your focus is exclusively on non-STEM. On par with most top Private schools.  All other publics are a step below and you'd choose to attend one of them if the specific program you are interested in ranked high relative to the cost of attendance.  For example,   UC SD, U Wash, Austin, Georgia Tech, UIUC, Purdue, UMD are all great STEM schools, better than UVA in STEM and waaaay better than Florida.  Actually not sure why Florida is ranked 30..[/quote]

Are they really?  [b]If you survey UCLA and Berkeley undergraduate alumni in particular, would they think they had a great experience compared to other schools? [/b] I don't think they will (look at Niche, alumni giving rates).   If you look at earnings and compare to other schools after adjusting for cost of living where graduates settle and what they major in, do they do better than other public schools?  Again, I don't think so.[/quote]

[b]If you survey the alumni or ANY school, the majority of them will say they had a great experience.[/b] I have 2 friends, one works for the post office and the other is the CEO of a mid-size company.  Both are extremely happy with their families/lives despite their disparities.  Still doesn't negate the fact that the CEO dude's quality of life and life experiences are miles ahead of the other's.

I come across this POV all the time.. earnings adjusted for COL are the same across the country.  That may be, at a point in time.  However, over 30 years of employment, you also save and invest, buy homes that appreciate, have opportunities that don't even exist at other places, etc.  Every friend of mine who chose to go the SF bay area is wealthier than I am.  More than a handful of them own homes that are worth more than my 8-figure net worth.  Where you begin your career (even if the COLA-adjusted starting salary is the same elsewhere) matters in the long run.

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Compared to other schools they don't.  If you look at data from Niche and USNWR, UCLA and Berkeley are average to below average in responses to questions on whether alumni got their money's worth, could they get needed classes, quality of teaching and professors interest in student success, and alumni giving rate.  In every single category here they are below Michigan and UVA (and other public schools).  They are way, way below private schools like Princeton and Duke.  [/quote]

Student opinion is not an accurate metric of the quality of the school. Schools that have easy classes and huge social life (and easy classes that allow for a large amount of time spent partying) will have higher ratings.

More rigor and course difficulty means lower student ratings, but rigor and course difficulty improves the academic reputation of the school.[/quote]

This is a hilariously stupid take. The students experience isn’t accurate about the quality of the school? That’s literally the most important metric. And your rigor argument is debunked by William and Mary. Very rigorous academics but have the happiest students by Princeton rankings.[/quote]
Hilariously stupid take? Only to an utterly idiotic moron.

Only look at the colleges ranked by overall satisfaction, the most important metric:

Vanderbilt University (1)
Kansas State (2)
Tulane (3)
Wisconsin (4)
Clemson (5)
Brown (6)
Virginia Tech (7)
Auburn (8)
Lehigh (9)
Thomas Aquinas (10)

Nowhere to be found: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, etc.

Jeez, better send your kids to Kansas State instead of Harvard, based on the most important metric![/quote]

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