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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)[/quote]

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant.  Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question.  Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

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Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.[/quote]

Generations of race-based housing segregation and policing are based on race.  That's why affirmative action is based on race.  My mom and dad were poor and the first in their families to go to college.  My dad ended up the CEO of a large public company.  Members of the board made racist jokes and used the n-word.  No way in hell a Black person or a woman was going to be hired as CEO, no matter thier qualifications or income.

You should pick up a book.[/quote]

I don't need to  pick up a book as I have lived through affirmative action policies.  As you said, your mom and dad were poor so they benefited from affirmative action and are now successful. That is good, that is how affirmative action should work. Their children (meaning you) are now rich, so you should not benefit from affirmative action policies.

See how this works to everybody's benefit, not just one race? We need to look into the future and not perpetuate policies that discriminate on racial grounds. [/quote]

You seem confused.  My mom and dad were poor and WHITE.  The "affirmative action" that my family benefitted from was SYSTEMIC RACISM.  My dad was hired into the top job in his company because he was great at his job, but HE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN THAT JOB AS A BLACK MAN OR A WOMAN (this was 30 years ago).   My parents and my inlaws were able to buy in neighborhoods where their house would appreciate BECAUSE THEY WERE WHITE.  The scholarship that my dad attended college on was not offered to a Black student until the 1980s.  My mom's college didn't even desegregate until 1967, and THEY HAD TO GO TO COURT TO FIGHT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO BE ALLOWED TO ADMIT BLACK STUDENTS.  My elementary school didn't end de jure, official segregation until 1972 (18 years after the first Brown v. Board decision).

Why do these events of 50 years ago matter today?  Becasue my parents were able to buy houses in good school districts.  I got a good education, and I attended an exclusive, almost entirely white university.  In my first job after grad school, my boss's boss's boss had previously worked for my dad, so I was a good candidate, but there's no was I wasn't getting that job.  After a few years in the corporate world, I started my own company, and I got a lot of work with large, privately held companies that employed almost no Blacks or women in management.  When I sent them non-white consultants, there was almost always something not quite right about those candidates.  I was literally in a project meeting with a large team of 100% white men, and the exec running the project commented at some length but indirectly, how glad he was that the team was all the "right kind" of people and that we'd be "culturally" harmonious.  My in laws paid the down payment on our first home (from home equity from a large home that they had sold after their kids moved out -- something that Black families were not eligible for in their city at the time they bought their house).  We used equity from our first house to buy rental property and started acumulating wealth.  This is how it works for many welathy white people in America, but not for Black people, and my life trajectory and current wealth is due partly to my hard work, but WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE IF I WERE BLACK.

I know you are working hard not to face this, but until the late1960's, US federal, state, and local government all over the country explicity enforced racial segregation, and as a matter of policy favored whites in all aspects of housing, criminal justice and eductation.  After the 1960s, those policies became unwritten, but it's absolutely the case that the criminal justice system in the US is designed from the ground up, at every stage of the process, to favor whites.  This article links to dozens of studies -- many funded by police departments -- that demonstrate the systemic racism of the criminal justice system in excrutiating detail.  [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/#Policing [/url]

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