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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]On the girls side, CCL1 teams regularly win VYSA state cup championships. After you factor out the 3 GAL and 4 ECNL teams (which is only 7 teams, really), it's the next level after that. Many of these kids who play in CCL1 still go on to play in college - it's not "elite elite" but still a pretty good level of play.[/quote] Many? Probably not more than 1%. Seriously. This is ridiculous. People need to get their head around how few travel soccer players play collegiate soccer. It is a very small number. And most of those players are coming from leagues other than CCL, EDP, NPL or VPL. [/quote] 5.6% of HS boy soccer players go on to play in college 7.2% of HS girl soccer players go on to play in college [/quote] Terrible odds considering almost none are getting full scholarships. [/quote] What does the fact that almost none are getting scholarships have to do with odds?[/quote] It proves the point that for the most part college soccer is the highest level of pay to play. [/quote] This is absurdly dumb.[/quote] Tell that to the parent of a college basketball player who is on full scholarship. Soccer parents are part of the created culture. They want to taught their kids as elite. When in fact the landscape of the sport in the USA allows for pay to play kids who can afford to pay seem to be the best. This also excludes the actual elite kids from playing because they cant financially meet the criteria. Save the argument that all clubs give scholarships for kids that cant afford the cost. That is BS simply because if that was meant to include rather exclude your top clubs entire 1st teams would be made up of all scholarship kids. Travel soccer in the USA is driven by the dollar so there will always be financially well off kids filling the rosters rather than the more talented kids who aren't. Nobody can argue these facts.[/quote] These are NCAA issues and not the fault of the parents: https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/scholarship-facts [quote]"[b]Head count sports are always full rides[/b]. But they only include revenue sports: for men, that’s DI basketball and DI-A football; for women, it’s DI basketball, tennis, volleyball and gymnastics. [b]Equivalency sports usually hand out partial scholarships.[/b] It’s up to the coach to divide their scholarship money among athletes. That could mean they offer a full ride to one extremely high-level recruit (although that is rare), or it could mean they spread the money out among multiple athletes, which is much more common. Equivalency sports for DI men include baseball, rifle, skiing, cross-country, track and field, soccer, fencing, swimming, golf, tennis, gymnastics, volleyball, ice hockey, water polo, lacrosse and wrestling. For DI women, equivalency sports include bowling, lacrosse, rowing, cross-country, track and field, skiing, fencing, soccer, field hockey, softball, golf, swimming, ice hockey and water polo. All DII and NAIA sports are equivalency sports. This article details some ways coaches decide on scholarship amounts."[/quote] The parents did not create how the NCAA awards scholarships. You're blaming the wrong thing. Club soccer is not college soccer and frankly, college coaches are paid to win. They will only recruit the best players that they can and if the player is worth it they will get them the most money they can. Making college affordable to as many people as possible is a larger issue and one that I support but sports is not responsible for the high cost of college. Kids shouldn't need sports to afford a college education. [/quote] Thats all true but when you use the terms recruited and committed you give the impression of being rewarded with athletic scholarships. When in fact Its just like committing to a higher level travel team per say. Just as drop out rate is in travel soccer. It continues in college as players year to year stop playing and just like travel soccer 99% of players either quit or age out. Reality is if your in the top 25% of travel soccer players and are willing to Pay full tuition to play college soccer and you are willing to go anywhere in the USA to find a roster you can make regardless of the name or location of the school. You can find a college team to play for. [/quote] parents of soccer players and the players themselves don't have that impression unless they are beyond naive. For most players around here, the important thing about being recruited is short circuiting the admissions process not getting a full ride [/quote] Everyone pays for college. How many kids go to college for free? Academic scholarships are limited, financial aid is limited. Everyone at the college is paying for it, I really don't understand what your point is. Women's soccer is not a headcount sport like football or basketball. claiming that kids and parents are deluded or a part of some giant soccer pay to play industrial complex is absurd at this point. 95% of students are not paid to be students that is just not how college works for anyone. [/quote] did you miss the word 'don't'? [/quote] Yes, I was more commenting on the following point: [b]the important thing about being recruited is short circuiting the admissions process not getting a full ride [/b][/quote] how is that not true? there are some full rides, but no one (absent maybe a handful of players) is getting them. On the other hand, everyone knows that being a recruited athlete makes the admissions process far easier [/quote] Because the advantage varies greatly across schools. Soccer not being a head count sport means performance based revenue is not the same driving motivation for admitting subpar students relative to head count, revenue generating sports like football and basketball. Women's soccer loses money. While the requirement to win is still there for the coaches the school is not going to dramatically lower admission requirements for women soccer players because there is little financial incentive to do so. A highly recruited women's soccer player at UVA may need a 3.6 to get accepted while a basketball player or football player of similar recruitment interest might only need a 3.2 GPA to get accepted. [/quote] the player with the 3.6 will get accepted though. Their peers with the same stats may or may not. That's the advantage [/quote]
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