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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My DC did not apply to any Ivies, though encouraged to do so by the college counselor. The reasoning was that she didn’t want to be pre-judged by where she went to school. People have associations in their minds as well as stereotypes of elitists. Haaaahvahd in a snooty accent is what people think. The connections could help within that elitist group, but that’s not where she wants to be. The constant competition and need to prove one’s self at Ivies seems toxic. [/quote] Said with all the insight of someone on the outside looking in. The atmosphere at most Ivies is far less competitive than at some of the other schools mentioned in this thread. In any event, being encouraged to apply to an Ivy and getting into one are two different things. [/quote] Never said that I thought she could get in. Clearly we are outsiders to the Ivy world, along with 99% of the country and that’s fine with us. Having toured a few Ivies pre-Covid, none of the tours ever said it was not competitive. Quite the opposite, as some of the tour guides listed off the accomplishments of their roommates and friends and talked about the pressure they were under. All the schools at the top are competitive, but we saw a lot of ugly behavior in high school with people stepping on each other to get a leg up in the race to Ivies and want another environment. [/quote] DP here. The problem with your original post was you demeaned both the schools and highly accomplished kids who attend. You imply that "elite-ism" (whatever that is) is there and it is bad and that you are on a higher moral ground to reject it. Maybe you didn't do it intentionally, but that's what you did. Not sure where your kid goes to school, but I bet most Ivy parents would say "Great school! Good for her". Try that.[/quote] I don’t think I demeaned the schools or the students, but I apologize if it came across that way. I think Ivies are on such a high pedestal, and that was too much pressure for my child. My colleagues have Ivy League kids and they are incredible students and people. But people do make assumptions about how they got in, and that they think they’re better than others. Whether or not that is true, there is that perception out there about Ivies. Just like there are going to be stereotypes about someone attending Liberty U. Plenty of great schools that don’t come with as many preconceived notions. Many kids want that recognition and lifelong connection, but there are very strong students who want a different environment and not to be surrounded by the exclusivity of the Ivies. Elitism is a thing, I’m surprised that an Ivy League person would not be familiar with the term.[/quote]
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